Hilarious Thai Boxing

[Justin A.]

Wow. saw this on VH1's "Web Junk Top 20" its a show that they do every week showing their top 20 web videos of the week. This one was hilarious. Gotta love foreign sport. http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2675948

if you want more web crap go to www.ifilm.com/webjunk thats where the videos come from.

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[Pow]

That was great! i almost peed my pants. www.ebaumsworld.com has some good movies too.

[kipstar]

this is one of a series of ads promoting real viagra, because there are quite a few clone drugs here too.

In another one, the guy take a full on kick to the groin right at the beginning. And starts moaning to the ref; see if you can find that one, it is even better.

The reason is that the word used for impotence is also the same word as a knock out/knock down in muay Thai.

'lom'

Incidentally, just for anyone interested...most of the muay Thai guys be well tough. THey are wearing a cup, so a full on kick to the groin is no big deal, they don't stop. Ditto for a knee to the groin.

[Justin A.]

They may be wearing a cup, but thats still a badass sport...

I havent seen the other commercial, I just saw this one on a TV show and had to post it.

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[Jutta]

...a full kick to the groin - even with cup - is still rather serious business.

[D-Sub]

kip...are you serious? Ive seen dudes get kicked in the cup in the UFC and Pride, and a few of em ended up as No Contest cuz the dude couldnt continue

Alessio Sakara was fighting Ron Faircloth and got kicked FLUSH in the cup, and collapsed to the canvas and proceded to puke all over the place.

cant imagine anyone continuing after that

[Justin A.]

Maybe these guys are just...BALLS TOUGH!!! hahahahah I love puns.

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[kipstar]

kip...are you serious? Ive seen dudes get kicked in the cup in the UFC and Pride, and a few of em ended up as No Contest cuz the dude couldnt continue

Alessio Sakara was fighting Ron Faircloth and got kicked FLUSH in the cup, and collapsed to the canvas and proceded to puke all over the place.

cant imagine anyone continuing after that

Yep; even I have been hit full force in the cup from a knee; you just suck it up (and also give up on having sex for a few days afterwards ;-( and pee blood for a while. I can recall on of Ray Sefus main training partners, a really classy ultra quick big guy who was a southpaw cruiser weight, Mike Angrove; that guy got a full on kick to the groin; the ref was willing to give him a no contest, and he just grimaced and proceeded to knock the other guy out a round later, then gave in to the pain....

A lot of it though is Ali style subtle movements which disapate some of the impact though; tiny movements just before impact. And Muay guys kick really hard but they are only up to 67.5kg (welters) and there is a huge difference between a welter's power and a heavy weight's power.

I've seen a few Thai vs. farang fights where the Thai took an accidental full power knee to the groin, and immediately retailiated with a monster blow (hit, not, er, blow job, this is not Brokeback mountain after all) as punishment; then after the bell was rubbing and in pain, but managed to suck it up.

Gotta be tough; the hits to the groin when knee sparring and fighting and pretty inevitable, and it may not get picked up by the ref.

[Maciek]

Yep; even I have been hit full force in the cup from a knee; you just suck it up (and also give up on having sex for a few days afterwards ;-( and pee blood for a while. I can recall on of Ray Sefus main training partners, a really classy ultra quick big guy who was a southpaw cruiser weight, Mike Angrove; that guy got a full on kick to the groin; the ref was willing to give him a no contest, and he just grimaced and proceeded to knock the other guy out a round later, then gave in to the pain....

A lot of it though is Ali style subtle movements which disapate some of the impact though; tiny movements just before impact. And Muay guys kick really hard but they are only up to 67.5kg (welters) and there is a huge difference between a welter's power and a heavy weight's power.

I've seen a few Thai vs. farang fights where the Thai took an accidental full power knee to the groin, and immediately retailiated with a monster blow (hit, not, er, blow job, this is not Brokeback mountain after all) as punishment; then after the bell was rubbing and in pain, but managed to suck it up.

Gotta be tough; the hits to the groin when knee sparring and fighting and pretty inevitable, and it may not get picked up by the ref.

I have done this kind of stuff for five years when i was young back in Europe at the end five days a week. I was not that on pain threshold of others. But adrenaline can block some pain and do miracles. I had chance to see Marek Piotrowski with whom a few of us trained in the same weigth category (and who later became world champ in kick boxing here in the USA after droping from Kyokushin style that we were on) to suck it up when he won competition with broken wrist, but with tears from pain.

Now you cannot just suck it up. It is not about being macho. Some folks are built this way that their skull and any brain protection that they have there is doubled by mother nature. In other moments that is just adrenaline.

Most folks however would not be able to stand pain or even survive blow that simply breaks bricks in dust.

We had a one guy who did what Muay do just for fun in Dojo. He simply was hitting some wooden traininng ladder without shin protectors just like youi saw on some Hollywood movies. He was known to play that on baseball bats. He was also known for powerful low kicks that would break anywone in pain... or simply break leg. Nobody wanted to fight him as he could be cruel... Nobody wants to be low kicked quicly in the same spot in a matter of seconds.

The bottom line, I would not contribute much to being as they call so "though guys who can suck it up". That can work up to some point only. Some of us simply have special build that fits some purpose... just like anything, anybody.

Now having said that, we also had training to "suck the pain up"... but here in the USA it would probably be considered illegal and too violent;)

[djlepper]

Maciek, good to see a fellow countryman on bomber:) Shoot me a PM or email:)

pozdro

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[kipstar]

We had a one guy who did what Muay do just for fun in Dojo. He simply was hitting some wooden traininng ladder without shin protectors just like youi saw on some Hollywood movies. He was known to play that on baseball bats. He was also known for powerful low kicks that would break anywone in pain... or simply break leg. Nobody wanted to fight him as he could be cruel... Nobody wants to be low kicked quicly in the same spot in a matter of seconds.

Muay Thai guys do not cruise around kicking wooden ladders like in the movies, that is just hollywood crap!

For muay Thai, you kick with your shin, and you block kicks with your shin.

But the shin block pretty much hurts a lot at the beginning, and then gradually you lose the feeling of it hurting a lot...it isn't mind over matter or anything, it is just repitition and eventually you get used to blocking that kick of your guy in the gym with your shin.

I can assure you that the hardest kickers in Muay Thai are for the most part Thai, and they all employ the exact same blocking techniques ; you block a low - mid kick with your shin, and you block a higher kick with your arm; there are a few variations of catching and sliding to the side, but pretty much that is how the sport works. You block, then to win the point you try to beat the guy's leg back on the same side and land a kick to him.

For many westerners they lose fights here because they get kicked in the same spot in their thigh 3-4 times, and they can't continue. The first batch of Chinese kung fu guys were exactly the same; I think the first 1970s battles not one of them lasted beyond a minute when they first came up against Muay Thai at Lumpini. But with training, you get used to blocking, and also your thighs toughen up; however if you don't know how to block then for sure you can break your leg, I think the guy Dennis Alexio something or rather had his leg broken in a first round fight - he was the guy in the movie kickboxer that played the brother in the wheel chair (a truly rubbish film).

I think whatever art you learned is maybe different to Muay Thai; but re-read what I wrote; I am not talking about pain overcoming everything, but if you are wearing a cup, the pain of a direct hit to the groin is bearable, paticularly if there is a Ali style slide to the side or back to remove a little of the force.

AFAIK kick boxing in USA is more like a karate/kung fu. Muay Thai is practised in a water down form for K1, and also in a no-elbows format around the world, and now increasingly in the full on muay Thai form. Dutch, Australians, NZers and some Europeans are ready good in the heavier weights. and a few Dutch very good in the lighter weights too.

Roy Jones Jnr won in one of his great fights with a sprained wrist; he just used his other hand the whole fight.

Muay Thai for the most part is a sport just like boxing; it doesn't have any philosphy like Kung Fu, Karate etc - but anyway you get used to overcoming some elements of pain (like the shin on shin impacts) just by doing the same thign again and again in sparring.

Unlike most martial arts, most muay Thai training is either guy with bag, guy with pad man - therefore it is all done at full force. The only time we go easy in training is in sparring, and even then we go fairly hard on certain days; we use shin guards and headgear and big 16 ounce gloves mostly, and the sparring days are the 'days off' where training is for speed and not power.

But with pad man and on bag, everything is pretty much full power. For training kicks, one of the drills is at the beginning of every round with a pad man to throw 25 kicks rapid fire with each leg THEN start combinations after that. So after doing like hundreds of kicks every training session, it becomes second nature to just throw kicks and combinations.

[D-Sub]

aint hard gettin Kipstar to talk, is it?

;)

[kipstar]

Well Mr 1708; I am trying to catch up to you in another way...

you post short and sweet but many times.

I post a few times, but bore the pant off people when I post because I write an essay each time :-)

Anyway, I am still angry at you; you been doing mammoth sessions while I am stuck here slaving away in 30 degree heat (celcius yo!). I be well jealous!!

[D-Sub]

HA! nice response. you got me.

dont be jealous, bro. I rode THREE days this year so far. Ive been quite out of it...

I think its really interesting that you trained muay thai (but one paragraph about it would suffice)

:)

I still wonder what a full on MT fighter would do in in an MMA bout

[kipstar]

HA! nice response. you got me.

dont be jealous, bro. I rode THREE days this year so far. Ive been quite out of it...

I think its really interesting that you trained muay thai (but one paragraph about it would suffice)

:)

I still wonder what a full on MT fighter would do in in an MMA bout

Very funny :-) OK, I guess that means time for the world biggest paragraph :-)))) The MMA is like no holds barred is that right? I think they would have the same problems that most of the non grapplers have; while Muay Thai has some element of grappling in the knee clinch, a good on the ground grappler can take them down and after that they have no experience to do anything. The modern generation of Thai Muay Thai boxers also tend to have much better hands than before; punching is still considered a lower scoring blow, but since becoming a gold medal contender in the olympics, a few fighters end up doing both. The technique to protect for elbows tends to open yourself up for punches though; my hands are quite a bit better than the Thai guys I trained with BUT that is only until elbows are allowed, at which time my technique leaves me open to elbows, which are the most lethal part of mauy Thai. For knees, that is a strong point of Muay Thai, BUT against a grappler on the ground that is useless. So I'd say MT has torn apart most of the other striking martial arts in ring conditions like MT; I think wingchun would be one of the few that would be as useful as MT on the street but for sure kungfu and the older styles of karate can't handle the kicks and knees and are too sweeping and slow. They used to fight these styles here in Thailand in the 70s, and the crowds stopped going because everytime the MT fighters would win against the champions of these other styles (bear in mind it was in MT ring conditions). On the street MT is more practical than a grapple, because on the ground you don't know who else is aruond to kick you or something iMHO. BUt in the UFC type conditions, grappling one on one MT has no chance to win I think. The odds of a knockout from MT are not any better than boxing before the grappler has you like Neo in the matrix :-) OK...one paragraph :-))))) 3 days?!!! wTf are yuo doing down there?????!! Stop listening to drum and bass and get riding!!

[Maciek]

Muay Thai guys do not cruise around kicking wooden ladders like in the movies, that is just hollywood crap!

For muay Thai, you kick with your shin, and you block kicks with your shin.

But the shin block pretty much hurts a lot at the beginning, and then gradually you lose the feeling of it hurting a lot...it isn't mind over matter or anything, it is just repitition and eventually you get used to blocking that kick of your guy in the gym with your shin.

I can assure you that the hardest kickers in Muay Thai are for the most part Thai, and they all employ the exact same blocking techniques ; you block a low - mid kick with your shin, and you block a higher kick with your arm; there are a few variations of catching and sliding to the side, but pretty much that is how the sport works. You block, then to win the point you try to beat the guy's leg back on the same side and land a kick to him.

For many westerners they lose fights here because they get kicked in the same spot in their thigh 3-4 times, and they can't continue. The first batch of Chinese kung fu guys were exactly the same; I think the first 1970s battles not one of them lasted beyond a minute when they first came up against Muay Thai at Lumpini. But with training, you get used to blocking, and also your thighs toughen up; however if you don't know how to block then for sure you can break your leg, I think the guy Dennis Alexio something or rather had his leg broken in a first round fight - he was the guy in the movie kickboxer that played the brother in the wheel chair (a truly rubbish film).

I think whatever art you learned is maybe different to Muay Thai; but re-read what I wrote; I am not talking about pain overcoming everything, but if you are wearing a cup, the pain of a direct hit to the groin is bearable, paticularly if there is a Ali style slide to the side or back to remove a little of the force.

AFAIK kick boxing in USA is more like a karate/kung fu. Muay Thai is practised in a water down form for K1, and also in a no-elbows format around the world, and now increasingly in the full on muay Thai form. Dutch, Australians, NZers and some Europeans are ready good in the heavier weights. and a few Dutch very good in the lighter weights too.

Roy Jones Jnr won in one of his great fights with a sprained wrist; he just used his other hand the whole fight.

Muay Thai for the most part is a sport just like boxing; it doesn't have any philosphy like Kung Fu, Karate etc - but anyway you get used to overcoming some elements of pain (like the shin on shin impacts) just by doing the same thign again and again in sparring.

Unlike most martial arts, most muay Thai training is either guy with bag, guy with pad man - therefore it is all done at full force. The only time we go easy in training is in sparring, and even then we go fairly hard on certain days; we use shin guards and headgear and big 16 ounce gloves mostly, and the sparring days are the 'days off' where training is for speed and not power.

But with pad man and on bag, everything is pretty much full power. For training kicks, one of the drills is at the beginning of every round with a pad man to throw 25 kicks rapid fire with each leg THEN start combinations after that. So after doing like hundreds of kicks every training session, it becomes second nature to just throw kicks and combinations.

Kipstar, No need to explain. I believe I could block a few of your low kicks with shin today even if you were twice bigger than I am. Trust me:) That does not go away with time. It becomes a reflexes after some time.

However that does not mean that you get used to pain. that's plain untrue. You know how to absorb on your threshold of pain.

Do not get excited I read what you wrote. I read, trained heard and did a lot myself in fighting. I also accounted for some strange training sessions that were simply geared towards pain and endurance (45 minutes on one leg excercising blocks - you dropped then they beat you with belts, kicks in water, training in full sun without water but in dust, running bare foot on streets in winter and on grovel - that's not a movie - that's what I did). I got kicked many times in groin. And in Kyokushin we frequently fought without any protections including cups and not for plain points for "intention", but real blows except straight in face with hands. Yes with cups you can bear more. Agreed. Just like with any protection, but then there are those folks who really can bear way more than all of average folks. The one I mentioned was exception and was for real.

I do combinations too. The hits on bag with my legs were actually smashing bag in two. That's the fact, you could ask folks who saw it at Unversity during sports class (I took boxing just for fun as my boxing skills are not so good but I did kicks like that to show off and gain respect... so sports teacher got respect too). Last time I passed exam at front of former European Kyokushin champ Marek Drozdzowski (who by the way was one of my Sensei's at that time) two of us were distibnguished for fights... for combinations. That was one of my biggest successes. Run after guy selling him 4-7 kicks and blows when he does not know where it is going to come from and how fast:)

Great fun... but past me. Now I have other hobbies... and a few pictures from that time.

You do not need to explain that to me. I lived that when I was teenager. I know how it looks like, really. And some remember me too at Dojo so after 20 or so years I guess I still can put on my Karate Kyokushin uniform and join for another session.

[Maciek]

aint hard gettin Kipstar to talk, is it?

;)

Yep. he sounds so excited on the subject as I occasionally am ... or I was when I did the similar thing in the past. Passion is everything :)

Anyway the movie is funny in context of this ad.

[Maciek]

...a full kick to the groin - even with cup - is still rather serious business.

Yep.. and it can concave...

[kipstar]

Maciek

All training is all good fun :-)

But anyway, I think you cannot compare Karate, Kung Fu and so on with Muay Thai. Muay Thai is like boxing; it is a sport. The other ones are a philosophy, so you use your mind and thing. For Muay Thai, you just get used to controlling the pain because you do the same thing again and again, so gradually you don't really notice that it hurts; and also kicking the bag and pads or even sparring is not as painful as a real shin on shin fight.

Don The Dragon Wilson fought one of my friends in Thailand (who now lives in NZ) - Fanta. Fanta used to fight as a lightweight and is like 5 ft 5; he administered a severe beating the bigger Wilson; actually he is a bit of a joker, and had to pretend to get hurt and stagger around just to keep the crowd entertained. I think Don Wilson had to apologise at the end. In pretty much all the karate and kung fu fights, the Muay Thai guys just can tear about the other sports. If you look at K1 which is like slow motion Muay Thai, most of the winners are muay Thai influenced.

http://members.aol.com/thaiboxing2000/muay.html

It all just comes down to training. You do things enough (and in EVERY session of knee sparring you get kneed in the groin pretty much) and it becomes second nature. No mind over matter, just practice :-)

[Neil Gendzwill]

No mind over matter, just practice :-)

That secret is not exclusive to Muay Thai. Despite what you may have heard about Japanese martial arts, they do not sit around the dojo meditating or listening to lectures, they train and train hard. It's just that a lot of those traditional karate styles don't spar much, and that makes a huge difference.

As you say it all comes down to how you train. The big revolution in these ideas started with Jigoro Kano and judo - he introduced the idea of free practice training against a resisting opponent, and his fighters beat those of the day who trained simply with forms.

[kipstar]

Yes, good point. I had heard the modern forms of karate have lots of sparring and stuff....

It is just whenever I hear about standing around outside in hot water, or doing physically onerous tasks as training, then I understand that Muay Thai has none of that (other than running for about 2km a day in the morning to warm up).

Oh, it does have not drinking beer as training, that was the bit I could never do :-)

I think since Naikanomdom beat all those Burmese to win Thailand's freedom like a few hundred years ago, all Thai soldiers have to learn Muay Thai, and in the provinces it is played as well; a bit like soccer. GOod fun :-)