BlueB Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 You can ride any board with hard boots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colozeus Posted February 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 You can ride any board with hard boots. I agree. I just have to get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmatic Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 You can't compare a Burton Custom to a F2 Eliminator Carbon 153! The one has a 7.3m SCR the other one a 10.3m SCR. Build with carbon inside You should make way wider turns, or push it much harder with Your legs. SBX snowboards are not good for carving, they are build for to go straight downhill as fast as possible. You wouldn't find turns on a SBX course which are usable for to carve. The turns there are allways banked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colozeus Posted February 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 You can't compare a Burton Custom to a F2 Eliminator Carbon 153! The one has a 7.3m SCR the other one a 10.3m SCR. Build with carbon inside You should make way wider turns, or push it much harder with Your legs. SBX snowboards are not good for carving, they are build for to go straight downhill as fast as possible. You wouldn't find turns on a SBX course which are usable for to carve. The turns there are allways banked. I'm starting to realize that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colozeus Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Talking with bruce now. After a few messages we decided on the following; He's gonna build me a EC 165 with VSR 9-12 and 21cm waist. Thinking I'll keep my eliminator as my soft setup or possibly sell it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Guy... Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Glad to hear of the success when back on soft boots, and that's great that you're working with Bruce on a custom board. You'll find that length and SCR he's going to build you to be very slinky. My Kessler 168 has an 8-12M VSR, and even at 175ish lbs, I can pretty much fold that thing in half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colozeus Posted February 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Glad to hear of the success when back on soft boots, and that's great that you're working with Bruce on a custom board. You'll find that length and SCR he's going to build you to be very slinky. My Kessler 168 has an 8-12M VSR, and even at 175ish lbs, I can pretty much fold that thing in half. Oh nice! I like "slinkyness" especially on the narrow slopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 My thoughts go to your angles: 30/20. That is very shallow for hard boots, and by keeping them that low, you aren't able to leverage the board as the boots were mostly intended: lateral pressure with your knees. Have you tried widening your stance? What degree discs do your bindings have? Have you tried widening your stance while playing with the angles? Hard boots aren't soft boots, and need to be ridden differently to achieve good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stevens Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Hey Jim. Why do you see hbs and low angles as a bad combo? In my experience, it was just more "reactive", adding an element of power and support I didn't have with sbs. Getting other things right, in terms of width and overhang were key, but once they were dialled in, the boots weren't out of their element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 I'm with Rob on this one. I ride a duck setup on a Prior MFR when teaching absolute beginners and have 0 problems with it. I can also drop into most challenging free ride terrain on it and do just fine. The biggest trick is to have bindings set right and that they are flexible enough sideways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) While I agree with you guys that hard boots CAN be used at shallower angles, especially with freeride setups, for carving purposes running super shallow angles, IMO, can be detrimental to leveraging the board. With soft boots, running higher angles is somewhat prohibitive in that the boot and binding combo are very laterally soft, allowing for more slop and less power transmission from input to board than many like. Likewise hard boots, in their rigidity both medially and laterally, can work with shallower angles, but by going super shallow you lose out on the ability to pressure the binding in an efficient manner laterally, losing out on that added knee drive and input to the edge. And like you both said, you can ride hard boots at very shallow, even duck angles. You guys are seasoned riders, with years of know-how under your belt. But is what you are describing the most efficient means of using hardboots, especially for someone new to the interface? I would be curious to see info as to the effectiveness of the boots at 45* vs other angles, as that would seem to be the median angle for achieving optimum medial and lateral pressure. Edited February 22, 2015 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Actually, you are right from the point of view of learning the alpine, 45 and above would be better. The only thing to avoid is going steep at the expense of having underhang. That makes transitions and tipping onto the edge way too hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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