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I was on it today. the conditions were around 30 deg. it's not bad wax. monday or tuesday will be warmer, will give it a shot then too.
Thanks Bob! Appreciate the kind words! Glide will be the same in warm conditions due to the teflon. What is cool is the glide in the morning hard snow and then having the same performance in the soft afternoon conditions.
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I saw that you only brushed the base.With other waxes I Finnish with a Scotch Brite pad.I have used just brush finnish with with great results.
The soft $4.00 brush from HomeDepot or Lowe's seems to work the best. I know many people like to use a Scotch Brite pad. Feel free to try since everyone has a different technique. But you can count on the light scrape and light brush technique! HRRW
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Was out of town & couldn't make it. I spoke to a co-worker (skier) who was there & only noticed one carver. He said conditions & weather were great.
Any reviews, photos or videos from the day?
There was a big group out there! Not sure how your friend missed everyone... we had more than 15 demos.
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For all you riders that were on HRRW or did the evaluation demo at LCS could you please post. Even-though we did hot wax demos outside in the cold getting your evaluations and feedback is helpful. We are always looking to make a great product better, and keep the balance of price vs. value if possible. Please post in the Hot Rod Race Wax thread and in the Reviews / Accessories / Hot Rod Race Wax sections. Thanks!
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For all you riders that were on HRRW or did the evaluation demo at LCS could you please post. Even-though we did hot wax demos outside in the cold getting your evaluations and feedback is helpful. We are always looking to make a great product better, and keep the balance of price vs. value if possible. Please post in the Hot Rod Race Wax thread and in the Reviews / Accessories / Hot Rod Race Wax sections. Thanks!
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Yes, its that time again, The Monster Carve Event of A Day! You can help The LCI and ALLBOARDSSPORTS take over Loveland Ski Area on Saturday Feb. 27th. This year we are going to do things a little different, I am stepping away from the grill, and weather permitting, Loveland will be suppliing the BBQ(They do a damn fine job). There are rumors that Frank of Virus fame will be attending. At the moment I am working on group ticket pricing, and figuring out who to bribe for some additional grooming( I am thinking something under chair 4 might be nice). So let me know who is interested so I can get some numbers to the events guy, I may be able to get group pricing as low as 35 bucks per lift ticket if we get enough non pass holders, or people who want to hold onto their 4paks fo a later date.
mario
Red Oak Development Llc, Home of HotRodRaceWax.com would like to thank Mario for getting this wonderful event off the ground and flying again this year! It was a super event and it was great to see everyone. Thanks to Loveland Ski Resort and Duncan Maxwell for their support. We would also like to send a big carving thanks to Dave Winters! Dave thank you for bring up a generator so we could do HRRW demos and all the riders could do evaluations right on the spot! That was not possible without you help, thank you very much. We would also like to thank Bola of All Boards Sports in Boulder for being the sponsor again, thank you.
And thanks to the Carvers that stopped by for a demo, wax evaluation, and grabbing a sample. It was great to see and talk to all of you! Hope to it again next year!
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Thought you guys would like to see the new "Tips and Tricks" section. Put in photos for review. A pictures worth a thousands words....
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Since the unsuccesful attempted mating of my phone and my zune last week, I no longer have anyones numbers, so if you guys could call my cell that would be great. On a side note, please make no mention of the virus around my honey until I get it worked out with Bola and Frank.
mario
Mario,
I'll ask Dustin to forward my number since I don't have yours... Ts
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I ride with all these guys every weekend, Do we hang together , you bet.
Do I think that these folks would sulley their charactor endorsing something without genuine feeling for the product? never.
Is Fin called out for being too conflicted in his envolvement on this site ?
T, let me have some of that wax , and I'll throw in my 2 cents.
LCS we will be giving FREE sample while they last which I expect to be all of 5 minutes. To the other concerns the testimonials are everything we have recieved(.) We have already tested and got our lumps out of the way before we went to sales and marketing! All we ask is that you follow the included instruction card because it's important. It part of product design. See you at LCS!
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What do you consider a soft west coast wax? I am using blue / green Toko much of the time?
There are times we use an all temp, however, we /I seldom use yellow/orange/red except in the late spring/summer.
Glad to hear that... red / orange / yellow are things you do not want to mix. TOKO blue or green is fine and work well. Brush well and hot wipe on a warm board a little at a time tip to tail. Lite scrap and lite med soft brush. Clean edges and have a ball! See D.T.'s comments. http://www.rod-llc.com/Testimonials.html
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Sounds good Bryan will buy the 50gm bar ! I need something for bc in case it's cold . No time for a rewax in a yurt !
James,
You just ordered didn't you? Will ship tomorrow. Please follow instruction insert and card. Mixing a soft west coast wax will impact our product. Simple solution. Please use paper towel and hot wax iron to pick up old wax. Then apply. You should be pleased with the results. thanks for your order. www.HotRodRaceWax.com
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You are right....
I MY opinion (you know what that is worth). The user is really the one that is responsible to find the "best" wax for their application. You guys can only provide so much. Having a test sample is a very good idea. Wax is subjective enough that the only way someone is going to get useful data (for themselves) is to get some wax, wax up you boards and get some slide data for your application.
Thanks Doug. You hit the nail right on the head. That's why I have also included a link to the testimonials. Did you check out the comments? Plus you can contact these guys via bomber. HRRW
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I was mostly trying to be constructive in the first post. the second post I was having a bit of confusion.
Like I said, on your website just try to communicate what this stuff is a little more, the average guy would get there and not really know why this costs more than the giant brick of one ball jay or whatever else they found at the local jib shop. I get it but I don't think most people would.
Maybe sell a $10 size, worth 1 or 2 applications. I think more people would jump on that type of portion. myself included.
Bob,
Red Oak Development Llc. ie www.HotRodRaceWax.com sent samples to Bob Dea for the suggestion. Bob if your reading they were shipped this morning.
Thanks, HRRW
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the wax isn't that expensive
try it
if you like it, buy more
if you don't like it, don't buy it
it's just wax
i don't think you need quantitative results published in the
american journal of snowboard wax to try it
enjoy
keep up the good work tony
PC Thanks.... and your comments are dead on! You are absolutly right. Remebmer if you power brush one very lite pass, tip to tail. I will have FREE samples for LCS. We are planning to discontinue the" White" 0 to -24 for the "Green" -5 to -27.
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I am not trying to stand on Phil's side, BUT.
For something with as many variables as wax you can really only do a qualitative analysis, you will never really be able to get a quantitative number, I do believe that is why producers do not publish one. If they do, it really doesn't mean a whole lot.
You need to do a direct comparison to get any reasonably usable data, your wax vs. the others, your substrate, your surfaces.
Mud, Actually you are making my point for me again on subjective testing and the huge number of veriables that would be or are out of our controll. Someone somewhere is going to have a variation that was not tested for and complain about no test data for their situation. We can not purchase every piece of equipment made, configure it every possible, try every type of base grind and create a somewhat repetable track for ultimatly what will be subjective testing. Real life testing on your equipment and setup, in your conditions is the only real way to evaluate. Since there was a huge demand for Sample Size Sales we have made that an option to support the group and this issue. goto http://www.shop.rod-llc.com/ I recommend reading the Testimonials on our website and contacting those rider on Bomber. To verify goto http://www.rod-llc.com/Testimonials.html
Sincerely, HRRW
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Yes, its that time again, The Monster Carve Event of A Day! You can help The LCI and ALLBOARDSSPORTS take over Loveland Ski Area on Saturday Feb. 27th. This year we are going to do things a little different, I am stepping away from the grill, and weather permitting, Loveland will be suppliing the BBQ(They do a damn fine job). There are rumors that Frank of Virus fame will be attending. At the moment I am working on group ticket pricing, and figuring out who to bribe for some additional grooming( I am thinking something under chair 4 might be nice). So let me know who is interested so I can get some numbers to the events guy, I may be able to get group pricing as low as 35 bucks per lift ticket if we get enough non pass holders, or people who want to hold onto their 4paks fo a later date.
mario
Hey Big Mario,
Red Oak Development Llc. will be there with FREE give aways of HOT ROD Race wax, sample size! Just wanted to make sure you knew! Since you giving up the grill we will have to charge you for your free sample! Love the food for the last couple of years... you have done a GREAT job! Thanks... www.HotRodRaceWax.com
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You still have not made any referance to the actual results of your test, other then you have gone head to head with other companies waxes, and to ask peoples subjective opinions. And that you are less then half the price of HFBW4.
You are right there is a market for this temp range, most waxes out there don't do a good job here, plus they are so hard that scraping can be a disaster if you don't know what you are doing.
But let us know how you actually compare to other "race" waxes.
Phil,
It is clear that we are not going to come to an agreement on Testing, please see my comments on Subjective Testing above. Please note that ROD-Llc’s decision to produce this wax was not an overnight decision. We have been developing and testing waxes for over 3 years. The production version of the wax is the sixth generation of the product.
Here is what you can do to help me provide you with an answer... Could you provide me with manufacturers’ published dynamic coefficient of friction data for the waxes you would like to compare? I have not found any data and that data is the only way to provide an objective comparison. Included with that data needs to be the test conditions (i.e. test method, test temperature, humidity, etc...). With this information we can better address, testing and glide from a neutral position. If providing this information is not possible, I can only recommend you buy a small sample and test in your specific method, condition, or environment. Once again our goal is to bring a high performance consumer friendly product to market that does not break the bank... price per gram.
Sincerely, www.ROD-Llc.com www.HotRodRaceWax.com
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by comparing static loads on a consistent grade thereby eliminating "rider interface"?
Static testing is difficult on the mountain. We contracted with an independent testing laboratory to get unbias results, see above. The instruments used were the Taber Rotary Abraser Model 5155 and the Taber Reciprocating Abraser Model 5900. We requested our samples to be cold soaked in a freezer prior to testing. CA8100 Anti-Chaffing data (5-25 Wear Index) for a reference test process.
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Why (when I go to check out) is tax being charged?
There was a web error which was corrected. The site has been re-published and should be fine. Thanks for the note!
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OK so you have tested it against other wax......How? and What were the results???
You can test wax easily. You need a glide track area, timing, a handfull of well taken care of boards (it's easiest to test wax on skies) and several days.
Establish a baseline by prepping all the boards/skies the same and see which ones are faster and which are slower. Do this at least 3 or 4 times to establish a pattern and figure out the percentages each board is behing the fastest board/ski.
Then cycle the boards with the waxes you are testing do 6 or so wax/scrape/brush cycles and then start testing the glide of each and compare to the base line. Do this at least 3 times to note any patterns you find.
This is way better then askin a few riders opinion.
It is very clear that you really know your stuff! We used Taber Industries to do a focused comparison in a controlled enviroment. You can get very detailed wear indices for accurate comparisons. Since what you have described is a very through process but is still influenced by constantly changing snow and weather conditions, the testers, their abilities, and their opinions. No matter how we slice it, there is a subjective influence to this type of testing. It is very difficult to get a tester to make two identical runs on different equipment to measure glide deltas. You can get good estimates, which you have clearly explained in a solid testing process.
We looked at traditional testing methods. We could see the issue highlight above. The real issue is all of this is, it is extremely dynamic. Everything is changing from the conditions, equipment, and to the tester. In addition we stepped back and review the waxing process. We then made a huge par diem shift in the material ratios, additives, process to finish a scrap and brush method for our product. Not any product, only our product. Our product is designed to be applied in a specific friendly manor and that’s why it comes with an easy to follow instruction card.
Our goal was to bring a friendly and forgiving product to market. In skiing and snowboarding experienced riders / racers can tell you if it’s working before you can hit the stop watch. I say, don't believe me! The final results are the consumer and their opinion. So I differ to the testimonials. Dave at HardBooter has requested test samples of HRRW. Your in UT, call him and please try it… You have nothing to loose and maybe I hope a new product to enjoy. Sincerely, ROD-Llc.com
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Yes… and here is the rest of the story. Head to head testing is almost impossible due to rider ability and the subjective nature of the glide. We test the glide ability of CH4, CH6, HF4, HFBW4, Toko Cold, KUU, Purl and both Dr.D’s products. We then went back to evaluate cost vs performance and felt that there was room in the wax market for a specific niche of a high quality fluoro product at a reasonable cost. The -5 to -30c is the niche we targeted for product development, we were able to nail -5 to -27c. However, if you need to go below -26c / -27c then we recommend HFBW4. I hope that I have answered you question. You can also see Ink’s comments in this thread. Ink was a former racer and we trust his opinion. Even Ink was surprise when he had to change how to hot wax and the rest of the tuning process. As Ink said, “The board took off like rocket.”
We hope you will decide to try our product, if so please follow the instruction card. This high performance wax responds best when it is applied per the instruction and we tested that many times.
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I was mostly trying to be constructive in the first post. the second post I was having a bit of confusion.
Like I said, on your website just try to communicate what this stuff is a little more, the average guy would get there and not really know why this costs more than the giant brick of one ball jay or whatever else they found at the local jib shop. I get it but I don't think most people would.
Maybe sell a $10 size, worth 1 or 2 applications. I think more people would jump on that type of portion. myself included.
We will looking to better explaining the value of the premium materials that we use. As for selling samples... by the time you add shipping your not saving much but you have a very good point, we will look into that as an option. Thanks! HRRW
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Yes! We have tested in cold temps in real life test at what we believe is the coldest resort in Colorado. Loveland Ski Resort is one of the coldest resorts. In fact I can not think of a colder resort. The glide is tested to the -27c rating. We do not recommend temp lower for this product.
If you can find Derek at SES he will give you a FREE sample. Selling samples sounds like a great idea until you add shipping costs and tax. Compare to Black Wolf or HF4 and we are a bargain at half the price for 10 grams more!
We would encourage you to read the testimonials. Send Oldvolvosrule a note and ask him what he witnessed when D.T. was riding our wax and kept passing him by! Plus if you look we have posted a discount code on Bomber Online in the forum.
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Pro Am in Steamboat
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Where is or is there a link for the Pro/Am in Steamboat?