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Plum is the latest release from Red Oak. Arnie had requested a warmer version of HotRodRaceWax, so here it is. Like original Hot Rod it is a "Hyper Optimized Teflon", product. Race glides start at 32F and run down to 18F. Like HRRW we recommend using the Wax Wizard with Plum. Plum should be ideal for West Coast, and early / late Rockies / East Coast. fyi... To everyone out there... If your in a rush and can not fire up the hot iron, try warm rubbing a thin layer and polishing with the Wax Wizard. I did and the glide was great. I was on Plum, last week 10/19 with Arnie at Loveland.

Getting concerned about the head cracken... you had better check with Phyllis. If they get worse you will have to take a break...

Steve, Thanks for the feed back. HRRW actually has a fairly large range due to the Teflon. The Teflon particulate is acctual very temperature dynamic. We have seen a decrease in performance in 3 limited conditions: 1. Super wet spring conditions when the base wax material is way out of range and out side the warm side of the glide temp range. This is caused by the wax and wet conditions. We call this Water Skiing! 2. Super cold fresh blowing snow at the very bottom of our range. Typically, nothing is gliding when it is that cold, -12F or less. Teflon has glide limitations well lower to less than -50F. We are currently working on a totally new product designed for World Cup Racing which should still glide in that super cold, super hard, super sharp snow conditions. If sucessful it will be the only product in the world to have this capibility. 3. Investigaing the last very unique issue and this only effects less than 1% of applications ie users / customers. Were looking into it... If you find that HRRW is not up to snuff it is probably from 2 conditions. Either over heating / smoking the wax which destroys it, or old material. HRRW like all waxs have a shelf life. Please see our website for the latest Tip and Tricks. We now recommend using the Wax Wizard as a final step to polish the base. FAST and no waste! www.HOTRODRACEWAX.com

JP1, Thanks! Your right, HRRW, is fast and last a long time. Arnie has won two (2) NASTAR titles on HRRW. Using the Wax Wizard adds to the value since you polish the base and don't scrape the wax into the garbage can! 50gm should last an entire season.

DT, Thanks for posting...great stuff!

Great question! If you apply like Ink is you can get a full season from one 50gm product. If you make a mess and hot wax it all over the place you will need 2 or 3 pieces. The wear factor of HRRW is extremely good so you typically only need to touch up the closest area to the edge. Cold rub and a fast pass with an iron. If you use a Wax WHIZard there is virtually no waste and should get a full season for 1 50gm HRRW. :D

This could be the begining of the end for testing.... Saturday was a mess and I think I strained my lower back.

Since many riders and skiers use Rays Way products it was necessary to test Rays products with HRRW. In addition, I sent Ray a shop sample of HRRW to test as well. Red Oak Development Llc., HotRodRaceWax.com, and Ray’s Way Alpine Tuneing ar not affiliated and do not have any business agreements or partnerships. The test equipment has been: 179 Coiler RC Metal 177 Coiler AM Metal 184 Donek WC 184 Donek GS Rec 184 Donek GS Rec Proto Type(s) 174 Dynastar Ledged Split Tail Volkl All Mountain Skis This last in the season the principle subjective test has been is it sticky since HRRW is way out of its temp zone. Standard recreational application of HRRW with a heavy layer has been less than the perfect glide we are use too. To get different results you have to do things differently. I had scraped each of these down to the base. When possible I place each board in the sun to pre warm and placed HRRW in my pocket to pre warm as well. I used the coarse fabric and completed a final base cleaning and removed any micro base / P-tex hairs from the base of each board. I did not use the HI-Glide product during this evaluation. I then cold rubbed, pushing very firmly and applied a thin to modest layer of HRRW, but clearly "NOT" a heavy layer. I covered the entire base surface and edged twice pressing very firmly. Next, using Rays Way Wax WHIZard I worked the wax back and forth, tip to tail pressing very firm to hard. The layer of HRRW responded very nicely and appeared to move into the base structure. In addition, the wax WHIZard created a very smooth and even surface. I made one final pass tip to tail starting at one edge, center, and final edge. The final pass created a micro structure and a final polish. The ugliest quick application came this last weekend to a pair of skis. While in the Loveland Ski Resort parking lot I did a very quick cold rub on cold skis while it was snowing. Was not pretty but the wax WHIZard smoothed out the high spots and once again produced a very good finish. The snow conditions were dreadful with half frozen slush under heavy wet soft fresh snow, maybe 1 to 1 1/2". The skier that I was with me commented he did not have any sticky spots and was expecting everything to sticky and slow. He was making turns and moving down the mountain very nicely. Results: Checking for the dreaded sticky glide in spring wet conditions was good. My opinion HRRW was better than an "All -Temp" wax. The glide was smooth but the snow was very, very slow so no one was moving fast yet were we still passing other riders while making turns. We did not have the opinion to create and use a glide track. Heavy wet spring snow is notoriously slow. These conditions slowed down HRRW but the glide was still good with the thin layer polished with the WHIZard. The thin to modest layer of HRRW and Wax WHIZard has also been tested at A-Basin. Cold mornings produced the fastest glide conditions. As the temp warmed well above the recommended temp the wax slowed down but was still better that what other people were using. This was determined by observing other riders and passing or catching them. The wax WHIZard and HRRW are a very good combination from our evaluation perspective. Hopefully, next fall we will be able to work with Loveland Race Club to perform a “controlled” glide test. We have completed other tests with Loveland Race Club and are looking forward to working with C.B. next season. Conclusion: We will be adjusting or tips and tricks card to include the Wax WHIZard for soft snow conditions and for racing due to the highly polished surface the product produces with HRRW. http://www.alpineskituning.com/index.htm * This review of Wax WHIZard with Hot Rod Race Wax will also be posted in the HRRW thread as here in the review section.

CONGRADULATIONS !!! Two years running NASTAR National Champion defends his title! Very cool. Great job from all of us a Red Oak Development Llc. and HotRodRaceWax.com We are looking forward to sponsering you next year as well!

Since many riders and skiers use Rays Way products it was necessary to test Rays products with HRRW. In addition, I sent Ray a shop sample of HRRW to test as well. Red Oak Development Llc., HotRodRaceWax.com, and Ray’s Way Alpine Tuneing ar not affiliated and do not have any business agreements or partnerships. The test equipment has been: 179 Coiler RC Metal 177 Coiler AM Metal 184 Donek WC 184 Donek GS Rec 184 Donek GS Rec Proto Type(s) 174 Dynastar Ledged Split Tail Volkl All Mountain Skis This last in the season the principle subjective test has been is it sticky since HRRW is way out of its temp zone. Standard recreational application of HRRW with a heavy layer has been less than the perfect glide we are use too. To get different results you have to do things differently. I had scraped each of these down to the base. When possible I place each board in the sun to pre warm and placed HRRW in my pocket to pre warm as well. I used the coarse fabric and completed a final base cleaning and removed any micro base / P-tex hairs from the base of each board. I did not use the HI-Glide product during this evaluation. I then cold rubbed, pushing very firmly and applied a thin to modest layer of HRRW, but clearly "NOT" a heavy layer. I covered the entire base surface and edged twice pressing very firmly. Next, using Rays Way Wax WHIZard I worked the wax back and forth, tip to tail pressing very firm to hard. The layer of HRRW responded very nicely and appeared to move into the base structure. In addition, the wax WHIZard created a very smooth and even surface. I made one final pass tip to tail starting at one edge, center, and final edge. The final pass created a micro structure and a final polish. The ugliest quick application came this last weekend to a pair of skis. While in the Loveland Ski Resort parking lot I did a very quick cold rub on cold skis while it was snowing. Was not pretty but the wax WHIZard smoothed out the high spots and once again produced a very good finish. The snow conditions were dreadful with half frozen slush under heavy wet soft fresh snow, maybe 1 to 1 1/2". The skier that I was with me commented he did not have any sticky spots and was expecting everything to sticky and slow. He was making turns and moving down the mountain very nicely. Results: Checking for the dreaded sticky glide in spring wet conditions was good. My opinion HRRW was better than an "All -Temp" wax. The glide was smooth but the snow was very, very slow so no one was moving fast yet were we still passing other riders while making turns. We did not have the opinion to create and use a glide track. Heavy wet spring snow is notoriously slow. These conditions slowed down HRRW but the glide was still good with the thin layer polished with the WHIZard. The thin to modest layer of HRRW and Wax WHIZard has also been tested at A-Basin. Cold mornings produced the fastest glide conditions. As the temp warmed well above the recommended temp the wax slowed down but was still better that what other people were using. This was determined by observing other riders and passing or catching them. The wax WHIZard and HRRW are a very good combination from our evaluation perspective. Hopefully, next fall we will be able to work with Loveland Race Club to perform a “controlled” glide test. We have completed other tests with Loveland Race Club and are looking forward to working with C.B. next season. Conclusion: We will be adjusting or tips and tricks card to include the Wax WHIZard for soft snow conditions and for racing due to the highly polished surface the product produces with HRRW. http://www.alpineskituning.com/index.htm * This review of Wax WHIZard with Hot Rod Race Wax will also be posted in the HRRW thread as here in the review section.

Many people on the EC have been using "Rays Way" waxing tools http://www.alpineskituning.com/index.htm Since there has been interest I ordered the Wax Wizard and the Glide Tool. There are also a couple of concerns. First, after a very long conversation with Mike DeSantis and Ray there is good reason to reduce the amount of heat that a good base sees. Reducing hot waxing can reduce possible damage to your base and build construction. I agree with Mike and Ray. Who in their right mind is going to argue with Mike! Limited hot waxing is okay in the coolest setting possible but less is more... First test was a simple application of HRRW. The test board was a 184 Donek WC Metal. See specs at www.Donek.com The board had been previously hot waxed with HRRW, light scrape, and light brush. I put the board back into the sun to pre-warm and wax in pocket. 20 minutes later the board was warm and ready. I firmly cold rubbed the wax as typically recommended. After a good cold rub I used the Wax Wizard, NO hot iron. Firm pressure from tip to tail and repeat. I made a final continuous tip to tail pass, edge, center, and edge. No brush! The results are very good. I have waxed soooo many boards developing HRRW that I can tell a good finish. I would say there is a good finish on the base of the WC. The WC is a demo board from Fin so it will go back to the shop ready to fly! Call Fin or Ms. Michelle to reserve it. I expect the WC will see a few turns at A-Basin this Friday. I will post the glide reviews. The next step: I will order more of Ray's products and test with HRRW to verify compatibility. HRRW

Sat and Mon! Friday late morning... Donek Metal WC 184 needs some love... before Ink destroys it!

Ace thanks for the review. How many days.... 10 that's crazy! Question: What is that worth in hot waxing time? You have to look at the big picture since time is still a factor and which waxes in bulk will you need for a season? You can use HRRW for the colder temps and up to 25 to 30 F and switch to a bulk warm wax but we just typically use HRRW in the Spring since the wear is better and the glide is still amazing. All of this equals more riding and less tunning and waxing with HRRW. Use bulk and you will never have the glide of HRRW(.) As for pricing... a competitive wax is about $2.00 per gram! Ouch! HRRW is less than half that cost. Keeping cost down is the reason the packing is not fancy and the product shape is not fancy. Next years pricing is looking like $39.95 for 50 grams if I can continue to keep costs down for a high performance race wax. That is still less than $1.00 per gram... for an amazing product.

Yep that's great advice! Still the rider is a factor and will impact results. The perfect glide test includes the proper weight and no rider going through a professional time system. Time systems cost about $3800, lane time cost $350, catching a snowboard with 180 lbs of dead weight going 40 mph.... priceless! The best we are going to do is asking for help from everyone that is riding HotRodRaceWax.com and getting feedback for all conditions. Please see Accessories & Reviews. A ski team should have better shot at it since it is easier to straight line on skis from point A to point B. However a snowboards surface area has a much greater impact on test results. A small benefit on skis could be a huge improvement on a snowboard. If we are able to stage a good test and get good results, we will post the results. Until then order and test for yourself... So far all the feedback has been very positive. In fact a one East Coast race really likes it, has tested in several different conditions, has no complaints, or suggestions to make it faster. It looks like we will probably sponsor John Deere otherwise known as “Psycho Moose!” He wants to race with it! I think he will see more of the podium and a run at the World Cup. Mr.Deere hope you don’t mind your new knick name!

Hummmm... Go for it! Get a metal! Try a Donek Metal Axxess. It's an All Mountain board that should help you ride better or a FC Metal!

Here are the comments from an Ice Coaster, John Deere aka T32 who is leaving trenches for the skiers to avoid. What I liked the best! He 86'ed the hot wax iron is using the Wax Wizard rub on method and getting great results! http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=29258 review summary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ive had the chance to use this wax on our beloved east coast conditions. i am really impressed with this product. i've had my boards tuned from some of the best guys in the area, and i usually score highly marketed waxes from them for my usuall nighty waxing. so at 1st i was like , oh great more wax to try. but i said i would help these guys out, because i appreciatte the owner operator pushing there ideas, product, companies, etc, etc. cooporate america can $uck it. ski market home depot i haven't had the chance to get on the snow as much this year as i usually do, so getting to the hill on a consistant basis to test the hrrw was my biggest challenge. i also don't own a waxing iron, so using the manufacturers recomended waxing technique got 86'd. i chose the wax wizard method, which would save me some seriousy headaches with my tuning shop. here are the conditions i used the wax on and the boards that were used. all coilers: 185nsr, 177gs jd spec and a 163 sl vsr. hero snow: i came across some at stratton. high 20's, sunny, frozen gran: tis the season at loon, cloudy, windy loose gran: a little warmer, sunny, windy or a gong show slush: sunny, in the pahk spinning 3's medium pp: the loaf, cloudy, foggy, low 30's temp booger sugar: your typical loon mid morning bull$hit, piles of sugar, on top of rock hard ice/ granite hard packed iced: you dont need wax for these conditions, just a strong wrist and a panzer file. this is your 1 couple hrs after they form up the trail and breakout the concrete paving crew and groom. gs/slalom race: on an a fresh base grind with a 185 nsr and a prototype coiler sl vsr this was my 1st layer of wax. the side of the base rub on is classified information. this wax held up as long as the cooperate america stuff did. what this means is it didn't burn it self of in one run. the board remained glidey my hole day. which runs form 8am thru 2pm, the its a cold pbr and and some sports cream. it was so glidey in all of these conditions, more glidey that my dominator zoom graphite all temp ever was in the past. most importantly the hrrw stayed on the board longer than others. we definatly have a good thing brewing with this wax, i recomend giving tony a shout out and get some you wont be sorry! thanks! __________________

Glad to see you riding my Coiler much better then me! But you were having to much fun. The AMT Coild was happy be out and leav'n tracks! It was a blast. Someone need to attach sandpaper to Arnie's ride to slow him down, Wow he is getting back into racing form! And it look good!

Try a 12" metal paint edger for $4.00 and a Quickie brush from Home Depot or Lowe's $4.00. And for wax... HRRW more than $4.00. Ha!

Recommending Donek or Coiler. Metal will turn tighter so do not down size. I would stay in the low 170's. Donek Metal 171 FC... And all the metal boards are getting great reviews. Good luck! I am picking up a Donek this Friday.

Recommend you look at Donek.com or call a builder and give them your height, weight, foot size, and riding ability. A good builder should be able to help and get good bindings! TD's if your big enough... good luck. HotRodRaceWax.com

Steve, Thanks for making the time to write the review. It was good to see you recognized the temp spec vs. the conditions you were riding. I think you made a good and fair evaluation. HRRW will perform very well in the warmer temps but is not an "All-Temp" wax. HRRW should out perform the all-temp and many warmer waxes in warmer conditions but we have not completed tested in warmer conditions. Thanks. HRRW

Bob, Thanks for posting your review. That’s pretty amazing since the wax is rated for temperatures lower than 23ºF / -5ºC. I have used HRRW warm spring conditions like you just did for recreational riding and thought it was really good. However, we did not feel that it was appropriate to use for full-on racing above 23ºF / -5ºC. The exception is if you were racing first thing in the morning, late winter / early spring, when the snow is very abrasive. This is a subjective call... Starting at 23ºF / -5ºC and going into lower temperatures HRRW has greater performance. I would agree with your experience, comments, and think you did a fair evaluation. Thank you! HRRW

FYI... though you would like to see this! http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=29258