Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Looking for any thoughts opinions and facts on these two boards: 177 Coiler AllMountain With 21.5cm waist: Stiffness index of 7.6: I had Bruce change the biax fibers in the glass so that the board edged better then a normal AM Vs. 182 Donek Thorndike With 20.5cm waist: 2003: 15m. Anybody think with the right conditions and right rider, either of these could get to "Near Exreme-Carve" carving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 coilers but in particular the AM feel radically different than most boards very damp and extremely forgiving, all my coilers have had a sweet spot thats a mile wide doneks are generally snappier, feel a little more "nervous" under foot and require you to be a little more precise with where you put your weight I have not been on the that donek you mention but I have been on a few others and they have a general feel to them that is unique I say buy the donek though, it will probably turn wider than your AM and will be a blast on good groom on ice I prefer a damp ride and if it rutted up as well but on the days that the groom is nice a donek will really shine bottom line they are very different but both rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I see! Thanks! What about Laying carves... Which one will carve 'harder' ? Keep in mind... I weigh in at 130 lb's (but I perfer longer boards) and I'm generally on smaller hills...... So maybe turning wider isn't what I should go twards?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 dude, that donek might be really stiff for you at high speeds I would say the Donek would be better just because its a GS deck, its probably stiffer and it has a wider sidecut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Well, I already have a board I LOVE for groomed and high speed (171 elan ballistic) This board will be for the "not so perfect" conditions days...... AND if at all possible... be wide enough to be able to lay down some rediculous carves... like maybe almost "extremecarving" style. Where my Ballistic is just way to skinny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Anybody think with the right conditions and right rider, either of these could get to "Near Exreme-Carve" carving? SURE! As you could with, say a: Hot Blast GS F2 Speedster Swoard Wild Duck Burton PJ Burton FP Burton Speed Nidecker GS Madd Sims Burner Pure Boarding #1 Elan Ballistic PureCarve Maverik Rossi WC Coiler PR Prior WCR Tomahawk Kessler Just to name a few.... Oh, and BX decks of various mfg... and freeride boards...with softies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Arg. How about while keeping a resonable angle on my bindings. I have them set at about 70 degrees right now and I overhang on both sides. I can get pretty low now... But I'm limited due to massive drag. With this wider board I would keep my angle high, but without overhanging at all. Then go in for some "extremecarving" type carves. There's no severe flaw to an allmountain board that would keep me from laying down?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 those types of carve were very easy on a wide deck(20.5) with a 15 M SCR so probably it would work out for you BUT if it is overly stiff it will throw you around in the chop if you can afford it get them both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I wish I could afford both. decisions decisions I found the SCR to be 11.5m on the Coiler. That good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 running length 154 waist width 19 or 21.5 SCR 11.5 taiper 2 stance width 17 -> 20 inserts 2x4, 10 rider weight 150+ this changes since all coilers are built to the buyers weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 :lol: anyway, you just gotta decide for your self one is a true race stick the other is not intended to be put into that type of use all depends on what you want to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I think they said it's built for a 195 lb rider. Also he said that he had Coiler change the biax fibers in the glass so that the board edged better then a normal AM. That makes this sound more tempting to me. Any thoughts about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 We both have been in a EDIT war for the past 15 minutes! I've had to change half my reply's becuase you beat me to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 if you are 130 lbs but tell you what if you buy the donek and its too much for you I will buy it from you if the price is not insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Honestly I think I'm leaning twards the AM. I already have a race board... I don't need another. I want a board for when the conditions aren't great. I have also heard donek's are on the stiff side. I've still got lots to think about, but I'm leaning twards the AM. Arg. (And if you want that Donek, it is in the Bomber Classifieds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy S. Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I had that Donek board. I was 195, 5'10" and it kinda kicked my ass. First, it was way too wide for me. Second, it took lots of work to flex/turn it hard. In crud it would toss you around. Great for really aggressive carving in a race course or groomers, if you can carve aggressively. Its a fun speed board and it actually floats pretty well in powder (I dropped a nice cornice on that board in sweet pow). You must have some seriously huge feet or be running ski boots to have overhang at 70 degrees on any board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I only have US Size 10.5 feet. I'm really leaning twards the AM now! Thanks for the info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 there are some Donek Axis for sale right now, too... how youre ending up at 70* with 28ish boots is perplexing, but hey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I don't know... I'll have to go home and check. I'll snap a picture too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschurman Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Yea, I just noticed this thread. I have been talking to Mike about the board but I didn't realize that he was only 130 Lbs. I agree that the board will be too stiff for him. No worries Dave I'm not upset. I know you just want me to keep all my COILERS. :-) ->Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Right now I ride a 171 Elan Ballistic with no problem at all.... Is the Coiler that much stiffer? With equipment and boots I'm probably a good 15-20 pounds heavier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 According to my Bathroom scale.... I weigh in at 155 lb's fully equiped. That sounds much better! And I checked Binding Angles, both are right at 70 degrees, and the boots are right on the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Well, I know they make ones more suitable for me.... But I really like everything about this board other than the wieght..... and the price is right! Would a certain 161 wild duck board be more suitable for me? is it long enough to pull through rediculous carves? (if I learn how of course!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Houghton Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 If the Elan works well for you, BOTH of these boards are far too stiff. You need to demo a few boards before buying and see what you (don't) like. At 155 you are at the bottom of the weight range for regular boards and far too light for custom stuff. Don't waste your money. The Wild Duck is a 9 m radius, so it will provide a much different experience to the Donek at 15m. Borrow some boards, do some demos! don't waste your cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mikef5000 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 I would KILL to demo some boards......... but........ I live in ohio. I'm one of the only 3 hardbooters in about 200 miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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