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I remember years ago some resorts wanted to have ski only trails and board only trails , and some were pondering ski only resorts and vs versa to avoid a bad mix, I don't know what ever came of it.
I just moved from a so Cal high mountain town ( 7,500ft ) that had a snowboard only lift.
Two Questions: 1) Is there any ski or board only mountains or trails besides the tiny one I mentioned.
2) Does is seam feasible to have board only trails, or mountains ?
I would think both single & double planker's would like to have thier own trails ?
What Say You ?
PS I did a search for a thread / post like this and could not find one ( don't mean it doesn't exist ) so don't >
me for repeating this kind of thread. 
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Don't hold back guys ... you're being too nice!
So you just don't watch it at all? Even the PGS? I gotta imagine that even die-hard carvers want to see Shawn White's Olympic halfpipe run.
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MY REPLY: YES, hell yes I watch Shaun get monster air, The SBX, Lindsey & Bodie, the Hockey team and PGS when it comes up etc...
I filter through the junk like the Vics vapo rub comercials on NBC OnLY.com-ercial.
The athletes don't give a crap about McDonalds & NBC, they grew up watching their sports idols as children up on the podium getting a gold medal , most of them toil in obscurity and now want to live the Olympic dream and win their own medals.
Hooray for them all.
As for super G on alpine-SB, ohhhh yaaaaaa
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Ride hard 3 hours then sit around with beer & pizza, then ride 3 more hours then more beer & pizza, repeat next day until broke wallet or ankle , lol.
It all balances out, l no weight loss, or gain
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I think that when you go down this way, either you blow the boot out and break your ankle, or the boot'll hold and you'll break your leg. Solution: don't crash like that. Avoidance tactics: when the snow is dodgy, favour the back of the board. I don't think many will break their ankle the same way twice.
IIRC speed boarding bindings are mandated to be releasable (although it's not a formal FIS sport). I can't remember what the bindings look like or how they operate though.
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MY REPLY: Perfect answer > Don;t do that again, lol, Your dam right I'm not getting sloppy and lazy ridding that way again.
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EA Miller made a releasable plate binding in the late 80's early 90's. It didn't really go anywhere.
The first releaseable ski bindings relied on a plate fitted to the boot similar to what a snowboard plate binding looks like.
I will mirror what others here are saying, it is unfortunate that you were injured in a crash, but snowboarding can be dangerous, that's life.
If you want to go through life with everything "bubble wrapped" for safety, that's your choice.
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MY REPLY: I agree "that's life".
I'm trying to strike a balance for my age and injury bracket so to speak.
I balance it out, I charge hard and "takes my chances", and on the other hand I wear a helmet and padded gear so I "can" charge hard and go to work the next day, lol.
Otherwise I would say F the helmet, and screw the jacket it's too hot on a blue bird run and just wear 3 things > surf trunks, sun glasses and a left hand glove to surf the snow and I use to do just that "until" I found out the packed groom is vicious on the skin at over 30+ mph , 2nd only to asphalt pavement and concrete, :flamethrolol.
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+1 on that. My knees and ankles feel much safer attached to the same snowboard than they do when attached to two different skis. And the statistics back that up.
My sister used to be risk manager at Nortstar and used to give me all kinds of interesting stats. Skiing has more knee and ankle injuries than snowboarding. Snowboarding has more wrist and head injuries.
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MY REPLY: Yes, that was made clear to me too in 1987 when I tore my left ACL on ski's at Mammoth CA, that is the primary reason I switch to S-board and never looked back.
It's weird because since 88 I have fallen all sorts of ways and all manner of mishaps with no injuries on a typical all mountain board and now that I switched to hard alpine I break my freaking ankle in the 2nd month / 18th session, :o oh well, lol.
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Snowboarding is a dangerous sport, you can limit and/or minimize the risk of injury, but you can not totally eliminate it. Sometimes injuries happen that can not have been avoidable.
It seems to me that you may be over thinking/looking for something to blame your injury on.
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MY REPLY: No not at all, it was "my bad", I blew it on many levels that day.
I take on & accept the risk when I ride motorcycle, road bike, mnt bike and alpine board.
I am just pondering the mechanics of simply lessening the risk on less than optimum pack with a more comprehensive shock absorbing system
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"NICE" Are you in this video ?
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sooooo Steve,
Make an appointment yet to see a Dr. ?
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MY REPLY: ( looking sheepish, avoiding eye contact )
:o No-ooo not yet
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Persevere my board broadening brother, elitism is for the birds, and leaves us paying top notch for under produced goods, plus it just isn't the West Coast way, Aloha Style and share the kindness.
That said, jerks abound in every sport, and I'm just glad you're not one of them(been watching your verbal interplay sporadically, hope I'm not slinging crow...), and know your injury is just how life is, don't blame yourself, especially if you are learning from mistakes...riding tired and hungry=bad, and hypocrite that I am, I do it all the time due to over pricing at the vendors and my amp level as I blast out the door seldom leads to a sack lunch.
Any updates on your condition? Hoping your not wincing like I am at every downhill crash in the Olympics...that thread even threatened me, LOL!
Packing my lunch as I listen to rock, Aloha, C.
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Thanks for the island cheers.Ya my amp is the same as yours, I set out everything the night before, I wax and stone at night while listening to the radio, check boot to bindings bla bla bla.
I make sure everything is as good as possible ( very necessary with old used equip ) everything has to be perfect as can be so I can just park, stretch & suit up and hit the lift 1st thing.
Since Your an island guy you must surf >( I didn't look at your profile yet) you know what its like to scrape sand wax off then re-wax up, make sure your suit (Cali cold water ) substitute fav trunks / suit isn't all stank from the day before , make sure you have fresh rinse water bla bla bla so when I get to the cliff's I can drink coffee and check the set, no time waisted.
Howlie "out", lol.:)
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SteveInOregon - sorry to hear about your injury. I hope you get back to the slopes soon.
What gear were you riding specifically? Your profile says old Rossi bindings & Raichle SBH. Post a pic of your gear if you are able.
I'm reading thoughts here about releasable bindings, softer binding interface, reengineering the gear. I'm sure you've thought over and over about the events that transpired - what would you have done differently from a riding perspective?
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Thanks for asking.
1) I would have not gone at all, no seriously, I was super sore and tired from riding 5 hours strait , plus running up steep slope to chase after a school bus on last Thurs. ( read "blinded by laser" ) , so I was "weak in the legs right off the bat.
2) I should have stopped for lunch, but I left my wallet under the seat of my SUV and my lady friend took it down the to Shasta Xcountry ski area to do her thing , she was gone all day with my cash so I was not only , sore & tired I was hungry and thirsty, I couldn't even find a plastic chair to sit on outside to relax because there was a capacity crowd watching a hill jump big air contest and I was left standing * sigh so I thought the lift was the only good seat in the house relax on and so started riding again with no rest.
3) I should have spent the cash on Intuition or other mold-able liners and custom foot beds, "but" being a NuB I didn't have any baseline to evaluate how well my boots fit other than they didn't cut off any circulation so I was positive on my boots, they seamed ok, but I really knew I was going to get better liners, soon but no soon enough.
4) I should really be a "snow snob" and should have gone Xcountry when the conditions are not good, I had ice followed by sunny slush and a thousand weekend skiiers ruts to negotiate.
The moral of the story is, I lead myself down my own path of stupidity aqnd now I am paying for it, the only good thing is I was looking out for "the other guy" , rather than gaining speed and splitting hairs I chose to slow down and drift sideways , oh well live and learn.
PS I will take a few shots and post them of my equip :o
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Obviously down hill skiis are release types.
That begs the question, are there practical reasons & situations to want a break away / releasable alpine board binding ?
Lets leave the material , mechanical, and market demand issues out for now of and concentrate on a set of positive uses and a basic conceptual need for this new type of binding.
Indulge me if you will , just "imagine" that you already have a prototype of a refined light small footprint release binding that can be calibrated for particular person and dynamic demand.
Regardless of market demand, do you think it would be usable and ad safety or just ad another set of un-tested variables that need extensive testing.
I can only imagine the 1st break away ski bindings had to be worked out and extensively tested along with an evolutionary process over the years that arrived were they are today.
Using the borrowed parameters of a single ski binding for a base line person of such and such a weight as a start.
I can imagine an odd yet what looks to be a high probability scenario were one binding breaks away and the other is still holding the boot so the rider is now falling with one off ( front boot free ) and one on ( back boot held) which very well "may" complicate the injury factor, I don't know this is all hypothetical.
Do GS~skiier's think one break away is good ? take Lindsey Vonn when she lost one ski this week while jamming at top speed and it look like a perfect need, so is there a correlation to having one boot stay and one release on an alpine board, I don't know.
Sounds like this would have to be worked out in the field over and over again in all kinds of situations until some "test pilot's" come back praising the device or damning it. and one outweights the other by a large margin.
Ohhhh and then there is the lawyers, I can see it now " My clients binding released when he admittedly nose dived into a rut and the front boot broke away as advertised "but" he did the high speed splits, and now has torn ligaments in all his hip joints & back boot knee ( or something like that )
Its cool to ponder the mechanical and practical possibilities.
(( I'm not an engineer, but I dated one, & we did sleep in a Holiday Inn once
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what I was trying to say is, if you want to have less of those bone jarring impacts transmitted to your ankles and knees one of the sub plates like a hangl or Vist is the ticket. thing is, if you hit a rut so hard and manage to overcome the weight and movement built into the plate then it's worse. I've even heard rumors of increased amonts of tib/fin fractures with the use of said systems.
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MY REPLY: Ohhhhh ok, understood ;)
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I was pondering also. Was the SI heel a factor in my break? And would the side play in the TD3 and Sidewinders have saved the ankle?
I doubt it. I feel that the SI interface is quite bit more rigid than the toe buckle arrangement. The bails, no matter how thick, seem to have more spring than the pins and bracket of the SI. But my feeling is that no matter how much flex and spring exists in any system, at the end of the day (or end of the travel) the end result would have been the same. There only exists so my range of motion in any system and when that is reached, the weakest link will break.
I think that my upper buckles were too loose. I had to walk/hobble several hundred feet to where Ski patrol was congregating to get their attention and a ride down. I was only able to do this by really cranking down on the upper buckles.
Had these buckles been tighter would I have broken the bone somewhere else? I think that it is likely. I'm not heavy (135 pounds) but I was moving pretty fast. So the amount of energy was pretty high.
These are just seat of the pants observations from a pretty fresh start in hard boots.
I think that the only thing that would prevent this would be a releasing binding. But ski binding designs have the luxury of pretty much unlimited overall length. For us, overhang is a problem. No where to put the mechanics.
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MY REPLY: What would be the down side to a break away / releasable alpine board binding ???
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yeah, sub plates help with that but also if the sheer weight is overcome on the plate then you're in trouble and fighting with a extra 7 lbs of metal and plastic.
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MY REPLY: You may be speaking about something I am not familiar with .
I am referencing the poly urethane base gasket like rubbers that come with Bomber bindings when you buy the upgraded sort of deluxe kit, they look to only weigh a few ounces each, is that making any sense. ?
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For starters, sorry about your injury... Heal fast!
No they do not. They protect you way more then soft boots would. However, you can brake the shin above the boot cuff, which is almost impossible in softies.
I believe that most of ankle injuries in h/boots come from ill-fitting boots or from too soft setting or boot type for the body weight and riding style.
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MY REPLY: I think your really onto something here.
I went over to my local ski shop to ask about Intuition liners for my snowboard hard boots ( they looked at me like I was a space alien ) after I explained what an alpine snowboard was they said "OHHhhh sure no problem".
Ya, I felt my boots fitted good, but not as good as the way you guys speak when you have a high end liner and foot bed.
I would crank my boot binders down to a death choke just before take off but that only helped with my shins, but my ankle & foot pad area was not wrapped and hugged so out of ignorance and inpatients I may have participated in my own demise:o
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I say this because I just read here about someone who was test riding the TD3 with the softest base.
I guess they come with different color urethane type base gaskets ( I cant remember the term for these ) but one is stiff and the other is soft and the tester did not like the "give" and lack of instant turning input with the soft flexable base, but this looks like a good interface for a recreational rider to help take away the jarring and sudden stop-snap if I hook the nose again, kind of a "progressive" base attachment.
It may seam anti precision / anti hard boot to purposely build in flex & give in the binding & base system but I am relegated to many realites, 1) I am too old to be breaking more parts, lol, 2) my 2 local mountains are not optimal the grooming is poor and not really sutable for long & low / long & wide.
I seams the very thing this tester was not liking may be the answer for limping gimps who want a little extra insurance, I dont now I am just pondering.
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This is a new thread that rose out from my messed up ankle thread:
QUESTION> It looks like hard boots & hard binding are transmitting all the shock & energy to the 1st member in line ( the ankle ) a relatively delicate member which seams to be for all intense purpose an encapsulated prisoner to both body weight & down force from above and board-ride-terrain shock from below, that being the case, there looks to be no room for error.
"POSSIBLE FUTURE REMEDY" ??? > You guys talk about the TD3 with one of the poly urethane type bases being a soft and flexible base cushion.
It seams to me in my limited experience ( just intuitively ) that if I were on one of those more lateral forgiving & shock absorbing binding set ups I mite have escaped my ankle injury, "or" could it be made worse ??? >>>> what do You think. ?????????
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Sorry to hear about the break Steve. Let it heal and come back charging!
I broke my ankle in hard boots years and years ago at Nakiska at a race. I was doing some carving between my runs on an unfamiliar trail. i was in the middle of a carve and the hill had a sudden steep drop. i lost contact with the ground and flew through the air sideways, tumbled a bit and ended up in some trees with a broken ankle, broken binding and cuts on my face and arm. it can be done. In fact, if something clumsy and painful can be done I have probably done it! :D
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MY REPLY: So it looks like hard boots & hard binding are transmitting all the shock & energy to the 1st member in line ( the ankle ) which seams to be an encapsulated prisoner to both weight from above and shock from below.
"POSSIBLE FUTURE REMEDY" ??? > You guys talk about the TD3 with one of the poly urethane type bases being a soft and flexible base cushion , it seams to me in my limited experience , just intuitively that if I were on one of those more lateral forgiving & shock absorbing binding set ups I mite have escaped , what do You think.
Thanks :)
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addThat is exactly what I was thinking on the sled ride down to the ski patrol hut!I hope that's all you have! This cast really sucks! Really inconvenient.
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MY REPLY: That's a nice family You got there, Momma board, Daddy board, baby board and uncle crutches.
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1) one of each
2)hard cast for 6-8 weeks is all
3)Both end of the season deals but I was crutchless in a coupla months, 80% in 3-4 months and all better in maybe 8. Honestly a spiral heals stronger than before the break. My first break I was in my late 20's and I bounced right back.
The second time in my late 30's left me with a little loss of motion in the ankle, be sure to do the PT!
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I will be sure to ask you about PT when I can gimp around, thank You for the reply to my questions.;)
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In 1991 at Copper. Nearly turned my foot all the way around in a Flexon Comp.Broke the cuff right down the back seam.Pain was enough to make me throw up right there under the lift:0
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MY REPLY: "Flexon Comp" what is that, if that ain't a binding then its a torture technique or an Olympic ski jump trick . lol .
I'm good at not puking "unless" I am on a diesel fishing boat , what with exhaust fumes , the constant engine vibration, the rolling swell, the smell of bacon from the galley, cheep cigars, & rotting fish>>>
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In hard boots. Un hooked the rear binding because it hurt like crazy. Then I treid to step in again but it hurt too much. It turned out to be a broken medial malleolus, the inside of the ankle.
I am in a hard cast and it comes off on March 2nd. The doc said two weeks of PT. It has pretty much stopped hurting.
The first couple of days to a week it really helped to keep it up as high as possible to stop the swelling. If its broken, caffeine and nicotine slow healing by constricting blood vessels.
I was told to take 800 mg of Ibuprofen every 6 hours to reduce swelling.
If you can you should get it looked at.
How is it feeling now?
Also look at this thread:
http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=6311
Feel better!
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MY REPLY: Thank You too for the real life advice, so You and I are now left to only riding the "message" boards too , lol ;).
I don't smoke and I'm not much for coffee ( unless it's Kona or Kauai pea berry, ground 1 cup @ a time ) and I cant afford that very often.
See StarBucks reaction >
No can do on the Ibuprofen because I literally eat a hole in my stomach last year from dealing with my "lady friends" female illogical retorts and mood based mind games ( See pissed off un-happy face >
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lol. ( no dis on the ladies here ) this was "my" problem by not dealing with her with patients and firm understanding, so I gave myself an ulcer ( way to go Steve , thank me thank me very much , lol ) I feel fine so long as I don't move, lol, I know that doesn't say much but there was zero swelling, I mean none at all, so I hope I am just a sissy with a sprain , I will take that over a tuff guy with a fracture any day , lol.
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If you got the coverage, check it...if not, keep off it, ice it for the 1st 48/72hours and then soak it in a healing bath of Epsom salts. That will draw out the bruising and hopefully that is all it is. I watched my calf bend around a tree the wrong way, and was sure it was broke off at the boot-top, but after a month of rehab, and watching my leg turn every color under the rainbow, I was able to walk again, and rode later that year, and I'm sure I broke something, I just didn't have the scratch to see the pro's...it was nearly 2 years before I got on the hard-boots again though, but that was by choice...
So get healed, and keep the alcohol intake down, as it promotes swelling and reduces the body's ability to heal...and maybe I'll see you at Bach, when is it?
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MY REPLY: Ok, I will ice it for 72hrs, I have had it almost frozen since 2pm.
I am going to Bach regardless, I will be a camera man for anyone who wants to be on Youtube if nothing else.;)
I will take Your advice and stop the beer, well how about a 1 week hiatus because my Douoble IPA home brew will be ready to de-cap and taste by then
me for repeating this kind of thread. 
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lol. ( no dis on the ladies here ) this was "my" problem by not dealing with her with patients and firm understanding, so I gave myself an ulcer ( way to go Steve , thank me thank me very much , lol )
Can U Break An Ankle In Hard Boots ?
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MY REPLY: OK, You and the other guys have got me convinced ( the dying bone thing got me >
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I'm gonna go see Dr Talus 2morrow, Than:)ks