toddbelt

I see several serious questions. Let me answer them to the best of my ability. Shawndoggy: You commented that the it looks like the board skids a lot. I think what you are referring to are the intentional push outs to spill energy. As one goes downhill a rider/skier is gathering speed (energy), and that must be "spilled". The difference is that the classic snowboard inherently spills, and it takes a lot of training and concentration of the rider to make a classic board cleanly carve and not spill. Where the spilling is mostly seen/heard as scraping. In contrast, our DES inherently cleanly rides it's edge grooves, and the rider must actively spill energy when they have too much speed. Depending on ones perspective this is Awesome or not. Our DES hauls! The flip side of that is that the rider must be more conscientious to spill. Skategoat: I stand corrected on the metal edges. I loosely recall being told by someone else that the original didn't have metal edges, which makes sense since many boards didn't at that time ('83-'84). As for it being difficult I think that several of the issues I mentioned address that. But I will be honest with you. Our DES is a little challenging for new riders when they aren't moving. This is another one of those points where it is a pro or con depending on your perspective and preference. The classic snowboard wants to lay flat, and it actually fights being on edge. This allows a passive return to middle, but it comes at the cost of stress on the legs and a rough transition from edge-to-edge. Those are two problems that our DES does not have. Price. Definitely one of the highest out there. In comparison to the numerous $1000-$2000 boards that aren't much more than a board, we feel our low production volume pricing still provides the highest value to our customers. Ace: more than 2. :) We considered that. This configuration is the optimal solution. Weight: How much does a typical racing board, bindings and hardboots system weigh? I think it is around 30 lbf, and the board is about 10 of those. So you are going from 30 to 34, roughly 10% more. Does anyone have good data? Best regards, Todd Belt

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 11"><link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CR1394%7E1.TOD%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--> Hi Jack, Thanks for asking that. There isn't room in our general marketing messages to discuss this, but we are happy to, especially since it is the core of our 90 page business plan. Distilling those 90 pages down is a bit difficult but I'll give it a shot. Also, I have not rode a Swingbo or seen one in person, and only know of it because riders have told us about it. The Swingbo was ahead of it's time, and required further design engineering. Snowboarding peaked four years ago, and has steadily lost market share to skiing since then. What is known about this shift so far is that it is characterized by older snowboarders leaving for twin-tip freeskiing, and younger than 17 new entrants favoring skiing. Before we had this data, we had designed the DES expecting this shift to happen. We expected this shift because we identified a significant gear deficiency of the snowboard in comparison to skis. Snowboards have dramatically less grip on the snow then skis, and grip is a fundamental parameter of the gear, possibly THE fundamental parameter. We can confidently tell you that our DES has fixed that problem. Then there is the issue of prior market acceptance as an indication of future acceptance. We can only guess at what happened with the Swingbo. My guess is that it was one or both of two things. First, there are several design issues. From what we can surmize, the Swingbo mechanism doesn't allow a wide range of rotation. The sidecuts are not equal and seem to have too small of a radius. Plus, it had the same binding and non-metal edge issues as snowboards of it's time, and since those were not fixed it couldn't compete. The other big issue is that it might not have been marketed properly and aggressively. Keep in mind that snowboarding is much of what it is today because of how Jake Burton, who had the resources, developed the sport. In contrast to Swingbo's failure (I say that with all due respect) there have been several design attempts at a Dual Edge Snowboard. But they were all technically deficient. We haven't created the core concept of a DES, but we are the first to create a viable design. Our DES is a new ride and challenging. But it has a remarkable and enjoyable feel all its own. For those of you that want snowboarding to be like surfing, this is what you have been wanting. For those of you that love the flowing ride of powder, again this is what you have been looking for. Make everyday a powderday. <o:p> </o:p>

Hi Bombers, We are starting to reach out to the community of riders, especially to find the innovators and early adopters. Since the DES ride is different from the classic snowboard ride, and since this technology is clearly in contrast to the current culture, it is important that the people that give it a serious go, give it an open minded go. If you are a critical thinker, are willing to challenge the status quo, and stand for what might be a controversial advancement, or you know of anyone like that, please contact us (see our website deucesnowboards.com). From all of us at Deuce, we wish you the very best for the holidays. Todd Belt Founder/CEO Deuce Snowboards, LLC

Hi Bombers, We are starting to reach out to the community of riders, especially to find the innovators and early adopters. Since the DES ride is different from the classic snowboard ride, and since this technology is clearly in contrast to the current culture, it is important that the people that give it a serious go, give it an open minded go. If you are a critical thinker, are willing to challenge the status quo, and stand for what might be a controversial advancement, or you know of anyone like that, please contact us (see our website deucesnowboards.com). Also, we just started a unique opportunity to get your own X-2 at a lower price. We have just posted a refurbished X-2 on ebay. This board was ridden just a few times as part of our initial production validation. This is a good opportunity for those of you that want to get onto an X-2 at a lower price. Be advised that the bidding closes Monday morning. If you are interested in seeing DES develop, please tell your friends about the auction as well. This of course assumes you aren’t going to bid yourself. The auction URL is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270312527826 From all of us at Deuce, we wish you the very best for the holidays. Todd Belt Founder/CEO Deuce Snowboards, LLC