Puddy Tat
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I'm not saying this can't be fixed by a liner but from personal experience I have found through riding both UPZ and Deeluxe/Raichle boots that the UPZ boots have a much narrower heel. This was based on experiences I had between Deeluxe T225s and UPZ ATBs.
In general amongst the three commonly available boots the foot shape is as follows
Deeluxe/Raichle - narrow forefoot/toebox and wider heel
UPZ - wider forefoot/toebox and narrower heel
Head Stratos Pro - wider in general (based on general comments on the forum and seeing the boots but not trying a set on)
Dave
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Oh god I feel for the OP. There's so much info in this thread his head must be about to explode. But just in case it hasn't this should completely take this off into a geometry discussion direction.
I would like to respectfully disagree, Dave. The way I see it, SCR has no bearing on a boards turning ability once angulated to the point where the waist is off the snow. At that point, it's all tip and tail and the turn radius will be dictated by stiffness of the board in relation to the weight of the rider.Ok being an EE and not being a snowboard builder I probably should stay the hell out of mechanical discussions about snowboard physics but here goes. With the possible exception of an EC carve, I disagree with the idea that the board waist leaves the snow. When a snowboard is bent into an arc and placed at an angle to the snow the edge stays in contact with the snow (or carpet if you are doing this statically) along it's entire edge. The edge basically forms a line on the plane of the snow (or carpet) in this geometry. The higher on edge the board is placed the more the board has to be bent to maintain this geometrical relationship. I think this is why when I see boards with extreme bends in them the rider is invariably extremely high on edge. Regardless the board waist hasn't lost contact with the snow.
See this article for more info. http://www.bomberonline.com/resources/Techarticles/physics.html
What wasn't mentioned was that the 1.68 is a SL board designed for a heavy rider, while the 1.71 is a GS board designed for a light rider.Yeah this is what I was trying to say except I used about a thousand more words...
Dave
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You are taking about two essentially different boards.
The shorter board (156cm) is a slalom sized board built with a smaller sidecut radius (SCR) to make tight turns.
The longer board (171cm) is a GS sized board built with a larger SCR in order to make larger turns and run at higher speeds.
Hence boards designed for two different applications will have weight ranges based on their respective length for that application.
If you want to make tight quick turns all day long get a slalom board. If you want to lay into a turn at speed, have a coffee and read a newspaper before you have to stand up, get a GS board. :-D
Dave
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Are these still available? what size boots will the fit? I might be interested in the carriers too. email sent too
Hi I didn't get the email. Though I have received emails from other people on this thread. You can try emailing me at webbed(at)shaw.ca
These will fit mondo 23 to at least mondo 30.
Dave
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... So regarding plates, tell me if I'm misreading this, but what I am taking away from this discussion is that for carving through bumpy ice, the plates really help absorb the chop and keep an edge (i.e. in the ruts on a race course) but the tradeoff is you have less direct feel of the board, and are able to maneuver the board a little less easily on other terrains.
Therefore for my more all mountain riding, going without the plates (at least at first) probably makes sense.
A couple of things on this. If you are riding all-mountain, I wouldn't get a stiff slalom board. I'd look into something a touch wider, softer, and more forgiving. I personally ride AM on a 171cm, Donek Incline, which does jump turns down double black steeps, launches stuff, rides pow and lets me put my hip on the snow when I'm back on groom when I'm travelling within the "speed envelope" of the board. Outside of that speed envelope the board starts to chatter and requires alot more attention to keep from blowing out. Corey is using a 167cm Coiler AM VSR for this type of riding. His board is more carve oriented than my Donek and will outperform it at speed.
If you are more carve than AM then I'd consider a carve or freecarve deck instead of an AM board. Personally most of my current purely "carve-oriented" decks are Coilers (Schtubby , NSR). The Schtubby is getting relegated to freecarve these days as I'm starting to ride outside its performance envelope much of the time as my riding ability and the speed I'm able to carry comfortably through turns increases.
Plates. I've only ever ridden the Donek AF Plate which is a semi-isolation plate. I just finally got it this year and as such this is the only plate I've had a chance to ride. Personally I didn't notice any of the differences that people here are mentioning about riding full isolation plates. That is to say "Lack of board feedback", "the turns get bigger", "you need to modify your riding style", the board is difficult to skid". I put the plate on my 185cm NSR expecting things to be a complete sh!tshow, and noticed "nothing". That is to say there was no change in riding style, no more difficult to skid, the turns were just as tight or tighter, however bumpy snow became smooth and I was able to carve through it at higher speeds and with much greater control. While the plate was on I skid turned the 185cm NSR down "Old T-Bar" at Sunshine; which is so named because it is the cutline for a removed T-bar lift. It is perhaps slighty wider than a narrow lane of traffic. So the Donek AF plate doesn't, for me appear to, have the issues I've heard of, and mentioned above. This being said I can't speak to full isolation plates like the Bomber plate, Donek A or F plates, VIST, Coiler etc..
Cheers,
Dave
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Anybody able to carve while holding a GoPro on a pole get props from me. I'd be down at the patrol shack before a couple of runs were done with the pole impaled somewhere between my pelvis and chin.
Cheers,
Dave
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Yeah it's a little crazy. We operate in an environment that is "copy the winning model". I'm not evening referring to snowboarding here, this is the model used in business. You succeed through innovation, continual development of product, and keeping your customers happy. Businesses come and businesses go. Cell phones replaced landlines, Windows copied the original Mac OS. The reality is that there is no expectation here that a board shape or design is a sustainable competitive advantage. In fact the racing market has been copying what stands on the podium for years.
We went through a disruptive technology revolution recently with the advent of metal boards. The manufacturers that couldn't figure it out died and left holes in the market. These holes are starting the get filled by new board manufacturers. Given the size of the alpine market we are seemingly starting to get a relatively large number of board builders for what I see as the market size. There may not in fact actually be space for all these manufacturers. Therefore, the manufacturers that can provide customers with value will survive. While this list is by no means exhaustive that value can be through innovation, custom builds, high quality, brand, customer service, or low cost.
Personally I find value in customer service, therefore I've got a few manufacture's that I'm happy to deal with and will in all likelihood continue to deal with in the future.
Dave
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Ok I've never ridden a Kessler, but you could consider a Coiler NSR built to your weight in whatever length you want. The cost would be much cheaper (probably 60% of the cost of the Kessler)
I'm also not a racer however I compared my 185cm NSR to a Kessler at NES this year and the overall shape of the board was close enough that I couldn't really see the difference. Yes I realize that what's going on in the board makes a ton of difference. But Jack's GS article "The new hotness" indicated that at least a few years ago NSRs and Kesslers were fairly close. While I'd love to have a Kessler/Oxsess, etc, as a freecarver I'm not sure I need the few extra "horsepower" that those boards have.
The downside is you would be one Bruce's build list and wouldn't be getting the board until next season.
Dave
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Since dropping alpine a decade ago Burton has apparently forgotten what good carving looks like.
Lots of @ss up a.k.a. doggie-style carving in here.
http://news.burton.com/snowboarding/terje-haakonsen-and-ben-ferguson-art-of-carve/
Yes I realize that is Terje I'm dissing. Why can't these guys learn to stack their weight over the edge.
OTOH hand least the video wasn't full of rails and park shots. I appreciate that this was a couple of guys ripping down a stream bed and having a fun ride using natural features.
Dave
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For some reason I've started thinking about carving gates recently. No idea why. Just wanting to know how fast I can go down something where I don't have a choice on where to turn.
This would require a bunch of work but it might be interesting to have an afternoon session of brush gate racing. It wouldn't need to be a parallel course but maybe a single course for people to run on one of the days? Alternately if you want this more carvey-oriented maybe a Russian Extreme Slalom? Though with the poles there is more chance of injuries over just the brushes though.
Perhaps some of the guys from the CSC could help with this. While I've got no experience setting courses I'd happily give up my time to help someone set this and tear it down.
Dave
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Love the board graphic.
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... Time to start thinking about pumping.
Yeah been driving into work thinking about pumping down paths. Looking forward to getting back on the board again in a few months.
I'll be contributing to this over the summer.
In reference to a few of my posts from last season.
Grennett - Thane got this back to me last season, and the pins don't move around anymore. For me this is definitely my favourite front truck. I ride it with a Tracker RTS in the rear.
Don't Trip Poppys. I really wanted to like these trucks, and they were super fast, however and this sounds strange the only times I got stopped by rocks were on these trucks. I can't really say why, except perhaps it has something to do with the RKP truck being unable to pivot out of e way when it hits a rock as fast as a TKP truck. I've loaned them to a friend to try out at for the beginning of next season. I also wasn't really getting the same surfy feel out of them that I get out of the Grennett/Tracker RTS combo.
I did take the rear poppy and dewedge it to zero degrees which gave me a very fast (top end) set-up, but in doing that I lost the surfy feel that I really enjoy, so eventually I went back to a dewedged Tracker RTS in the rear.
I think it would be interesting to have a few LDP boards. One set up surfy and another set up more wiggly for good top speed.
Dave
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Yeah. Sean mentions the "delay" in true isolation plates in a couple of his videos. Any delays in SL are going to really be difficult to overcome... I personally would love to try the Donek AF or a VIST so I'd know the difference in feel under my feet.
Dave,
I just bought an AF plate and put it on my board this week. I got out for a few hours at a local hill but wanted a few more hours on it before I wrote an actual review. Anyway here's the gist of an email I wrote Sean on Wednesday morning about it.
"I put the AF plate on my 185cm NSR a couple of days ago and took it out to a local speed bump last night. I was riding with TD3 SI on the lowered plate cants, with RC10s.
This was my first time on a board with a plate ever and I've heard things about plates such as, "it'll make the board turn larger", "you'll lose board feel" and "you have to change your riding style". So I was a little concerned taking the larger GS board out on a small hill where it was going to be a little tougher to maintain speed and there might initially be a few crowds. The AF plate was amazing, the board basically rode just like it did without the plate, however I seemed to have increased power to the edge and the whole ride seemed smoother. I did notice a few softbooters getting tossed around by ruts and chop, but I can't say I noticed them. This may not be completely due to the plate, as I've previously been able to cut through crud with the NSR. But I do think there was a noticeable difference having it on.
i think it's found a permanent home on my NSR."
So far I'm liking it. I'll see about writing something more review-like after riding up at Sunshine on some larger slopes this weekend. Also keep in mind I'm approaching all of this from a freecarver's perspective.
Cheers,
Dave
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It's time surf inspired alpine snowboarding got a divorce from skateboard inspired halfpipe/slopestyle and let the bastard stepchild boardercross decide who they want to live with to keep the quotas balanced.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
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I wasn't in Aspen for SES so I missed that dump. However i'm probably in the Philw camp as I think dealing with deep powder or uber soft groomers is more of a board, and technique, specific issue than a boot/binding issue. I also don't buy the "go back to softboots" for powder days argument as I don't see skiers tossing their plastic aside and pulling out leather 'pow boots' when it gets deep. Instead skiers grab their pow specific skis. To further add to this argument note that a growing number of splitboarders are starting to switch to AT boots both because they tour much better and there is no loss of ride mode capability.
I've had some super soft groom days, (post 72cms of snow in three days), where I had to completely re-learn how to apply edge pressure. I've also caught my front edge while putting on the brakes in 12" of pow before i learned to feather it properly. But once you sort it all out it becomes rather magical and you become a much better all around rider. This all being said I tend to ride AM boards with stiffened UPZ ATBs rather than my softened UPZ RC10s; though in all honesty these boots have probably approached each other enough now in stiffness that I could get away with just riping the RC10s everywhere and only changing boards for the conditions.
All these things require time, patience, and exposure to variable conditions to learn; which as someone above said no one really wants to take the time to learn on a pow day.
Dave
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I think it's pretty ridiculous to figure the average Joe will recognize a discipline-specific alpine board. If they call it a "race board" that's about as good as you can expect, although I usually will let them know that mine is not a race board and is for free riding.
Yep hence my comment.
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Last Sunday:
"Oh, look, Super G board! Or what it's called?"
I was on an SL...
I while on a 185cm NSR with an AF plate last night I was asked "Is that a slalom board?"
On the upside at least people know its a racing discipline oriented board (even though i'm not a racer and I only use it for carving).
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Unless I'm mistaken, those are Burton Performance II plates, not Carriers...looks like bails are riveted to aluminum base plate on the underside pic.
Ok I'll be the first to admit I've never directly purchased, or ridden, a Burton binding so I'm willing to call them "Performance Plates". I have another set with out the baseplate and Thier base has a few degrees of built in cant, which I assume are Carriers. I'll post them once these sell.
Dave
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Great article. I find it interesting the number of athletes that are competing outside of their countries.
It's unfortunate that there is a perceived lack of interest in alpine, for many of the reasons mentioned. That being said I think running gates suffers the same sort of problems that rock climbing does in that it's fun to do, but less fun to watch. This is the primary reason why rock climbing was dropped from the X-Games. The difficulty of what was being done just wasn't apparent to anyone who wasn't involved in the sport.
Like I've mentioned on here before, I'd love to see alpine bring back a Super-G style event. Perhaps running exactly the same course the downhill ski racers use. Hell, make it an open event such that hardboot and softboot racers are running the same course.
Hmmm take it one step further and its almost a Red Bull Style idea. A challenging Super-G Open-Equipment race on a course similar to what is in Sochi, the top skiers and snowboarders (hard and soft) in the world, only one rider on the course at a time, fastest time wins.
I'd watch that.
Dave
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I'd like to use one set of hardboots for both my carving and freeride boards, so I'm really interested in trying out the Dynafit boots. However, I don't want to switch my carving board to Burton plate bindings.
FWIW I only use plate on pow or goom, but I still switch boots (and boards) for the application. UPZ RC10s for carving, and ATBs for pow & freeride. Now TLT5 for splitting (next year). I have the boots need the binders and board.
I don't think a modded TLT5/6 would be a great carving boot, though I could be wrong.
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I'm setting up a Dynafit/Phantom set-up. The Dynafit is used because it is ridiculously light, and allows huge ankle flex in ride mode. The Phantom bindings are also very light and apparently really tie the board together.
I saw a post on splitboard.com that indicated there wasn't a release issue, however the Bomber split binding was still heavier and still required a voile puck interface (which hardboots frankly overpower).
Dave
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Do you still happen to have the FP 3.7? I know someone who'd be interested.
My kids still have a few more years on that. Check back with me in three more years or so.
Dave
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Some further pics
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These came off a Burton FP3.7 board I purchased used for my daughters some
time ago. They only got one day of use here by one of my daughters on her
first day on hard boots when she was 10.
I've attached pics.
In terms of damage, some of the plastic is scratched up. This includes
the non-boot edge of one of the toe bail levers. It also looks like
someone may have tried to rubber cement a pad over the toe and heel blocks
at some point as there still some glue residue there. I don't know why
they would have done this.
I've also got either 3D or 4X4 mounting plates for these. If you want
these you can choose either pair that you'd like.
Say $40 CAD + Shipping (which will be about $28 CAD to a
stateside location from Canada.
If you could only have one carving board.
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Coiler NSR 185cm/14-17m/20cm... An unbelievable ride.