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  1. 155 Coiler Metal Softy Carver

    in For Sale

    Posted · Edited by zoom

    FS: 155 Coiler Metal Softy Carver -

    BOARD IS SOLD.

    Exceptional condition, very light use. Topsheet shows very minor wear and two very small lift line dings on the tail. Base is nearly perfect with a couple of very minor pebble scratches. Rails have a couple of spots of minor pebble marks and could use a sharpen. Built for a 150 pound rider. Sidewall says "155 Softycarver for Ron".

    Specs: 155 cm length, about 134 cm effective edge (very long for a softboot board), 8.5m sidecut, 240 waist, decambered nose and tail, titanal.

    More detailed photos available.

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  2. flc vs wcr

    in Carving Central

    Posted

    Have you verified the SCRs with Prior? From looking at the FLC specs on the Prior website, I think the 12/14 SCR on the 177 is a typo. The SCRs increase 1m per length increment on all but the 177 (10/12, 11/13, 12/14, 12/14, 14/16). In addition, the nose and tail widths of the 177 are .1 cm narrower than the 173, which would indicate a larger SCR on the 177.

    If the goal is to open up more terrain to carving (steeper, narrower, banked features and other playful terrain, more crowded runs or days), then IMO, shorter, lighter, and turnier is more versatile and more fun. That's to a point, of course, but a 173 FLC is not a short board by most people's standards (155 effective edge).

  3. Pet Peeves

    in The Lodge

    Posted

    I understand it is the law, I just don't understand why.

    Hm. I can kind of see your point, but I think its a lot more complicated than a simple decision of "x" kind of person deserves care and "y" does not. Bob's onto one way of thinking about it.

    Below is a little more food for thought:

    When I was 22, and driving home after graduation, I rolled my Ford Explorer 2 1/2 times into the median of the interstate (car swerved into my lane, I swerved to avoid them, the right front wheel came off - stripped the axle nut completely out. Yes, I was wearing my seat belt.). I had all of my belongings and my mutt puppy with me, and I was wearing some pretty ratty clothes. I probably looked homeless, with a bloody rats nest of hair. I was unconscious to semi-conscious. A year or so later, my folks got a call from one of the first passers-by to stop at the scene, who was shocked that I wasn't dead.

    I was fortunate. Someone found my wallet, and I was just conscious enough to give my folks' phone number to someone (lucky, b/c I gave the wrong phone number for another contact). There are a lot of scenarios that could have led to me ending up in the ER, semi-conscious, looking homeless, with no ID, no contact info. What would you think if someone turned your wife or kid away in that state?

    Not to get too allegorical, here's what happened to my dog. Although the firemen and several people promised to take my dog to the vet, no one was willing to take the responsibility for the dog or payment for her. I could have paid, but I wasn't really in a state to figure out the logistics.... They just tossed her in the SUV and sent her with the wreckage. I was released later that day (weird, I know), and had the friend who picked me up take me to the junkyard. I found the 12 week old pup cornered under the truck by the (literal) junk yard dogs.

    Overall, the dog and I were lucky. I had a concussion, a lot of glass in my arm and some soft tissue damage to my neck, the pup broke her pelvis. The dog sits funny and my neck gets stiff sometimes, but we don't mind.

  5. Should we offer a Sub-Forum for Softboot Carving?

    in Carving Central

    Posted

    As many people have noted, there is a lot of noise and negativity in this thread. However, there are some very good, thoughtful posts, and I thought it might be nice to focus on those points. I edited for space, but there are plenty more....

    I voted yes, for many of the reasons mentioned below, but I can see why some others voted no, which is why I included comments from either side.

    Hoping that we can hit the re-set button, and that the carvers who are about ready to delete BOL from their favorites will remember that there are a lot of welcoming, respectful, if less vociferous, members who would hate to see them go.

    This season we have seen a large interest from carvers who use softboot gear to get'r done. Honestly, I think this is a great thing to see as I believe we all agree you can do an amazing amount of carving on a softboot set-up.
    I actually think it would be great to have a soft-boot forum...where softbooters can discuss various gear and techniques specific to softboot carving.

    "This is the mother of all carve/hardboot/alpine snowboarding discussions"-Fin

    This is the origional "mission statement" if you will. Its what Bomber is and was about from its inception. Take the hard line and stay true to the origional course. Softy riders have a plethora of sites that are and always will be for "softies".

    Just thinking that soft boot carving is definitely the entry to hardboot carving. If you get enough people in here talking about soft boot carving they are going to eventually try hardbooting...
    It's not about being exclusive, it's about being inclusive and inviting more people to try out the sport.
    I no longer think of myself as an alpine snowboarder, but more as a carver period. Whether it's on skis, in hard boots, or soft boots. I think there is an understanding of carving as end, rather than a means to an end in this community, that skiers, and regular snowboarders don't quite get. I really like the posse that Jorge put's together for his trips. It's all about carving, never mind what is used to do it.
    I voted yes, thought I agree with Tom, and he voted no :)
    Between... the increasing number of softboot carvers, and the fact that many of us hardbooters love to ride softies sometimes it makes a ton of sense to separate softboot and hardboot discussions. They are different.
    i think a separate softboot forum would be great.

    good carving is good carving and eventually everyone (softbooter, shaped skier, telemarker (they have had plastic telemark boots for years now) and alpine hardbooter converges upon the same carving techniques.

    i haven’t been a bomberonline member for that long but i think the member who best embodies the carving spirit ironically wears softboots—i look forward to reading more interesting, entertaining and thought provoking posts from well respected bomberonline member SOFTBOOTSAILER. a separate softboot forum would probably increase the number of his posts and that in my opinion would be a GOOD thing.

    I voted yes but think we need to include or Softboot friends. Many visit this site because they like carving. Sometimes they offer a unique perspective which can be a good thing.

    We should also remember that most of us started out on softies and transitioned over to hard boots. Letting the softbooters participate here will only help our sport.

    Plus... Softbootsailor has posted some interesting threads and is stoked on carving. There are others like him that provide good info and energy here.

    Let's keep them coming to this site and provide an area specific to softboots.

    I'm a soft booter (knuckledragginparkmonkey) who races, so I'm always interested in anything carve related. I've followed bomberonline discussions for years hopin that someday I can afford to go to hards.

    Keep bomber pure! It's a hard booter site! There are other sites for softies. There are so many highly educated members here that I learn alot from the threads.

    Last year at SES I was admiring a carver coming down under the lift. I assumed that he was a hardbooter. When he got closer, I realized that he was in soft boots. I later rode the lift with him and he had the passion for carving as much as I did.

    If "separate forum" means collecting soft boot carving threads into their own sub-forum, that may be a good way of sorting information. If it is a form of Apartheid, let's not.

    Again - let's be inclusive - not exclusive.

    What I appreciate about this forum is that there are a lot of members who think about snowboarding. Though I have not done an exhaustive search, I've not found another forum where riders think about riding. Most other snowboard sites are big on attitude & short on information.

    I consider myself an avid boarder - both soft & hard boots. This is the best forum I have found that has members like me.

    I am gravitating away from hard boots for a variety of reasons but that doesnt mean you will ever find me in a park airborne and upside down. I ride better than I ever have on catek fr2's and a coiler x3. It just fits me and my physique/style the best. It is also very versatile in any conditions. I would love to have a forum to talk about soft carving. besides being a crossover area for jibbers its a subniche of our sport that isnt going away.
    Yes, we can embrace them which is why I voted yes. But that doesn't mean we need to talk about softboot stuff on the hard boot forum. Make another forum for soft booters. The hard boot forum should be about hard boot stuff... narrow boards, plastic boots, BTS, plate bindings... all those things are what we should be discussing. Hard booting is such a niche sport and is hard to learn about. Things like stance and cants and all the things that are particular to hard booting are what we should be limiting our discussion to. That's why some threads get moved to Off Topic, because they are not relevant to a discussion of hard booting.
    I had a few minutes to waist and keep myself entertained so I looked at the quivers of everyone who posted on this thread (including Fin)

    I am sure that different people will draw different conclusion but regardless of how you feel or what you think here is the reality

    Out of 46 different members who posted on this thread so far at post # 120

    3 have nothing posted in their quiver

    3 have softboots only in their quiver

    20 have harbdoots only in their quiver

    20 have hardboots and softboots in their quiver

    Nobody hates you because you ride softboots (ok, maybe 5 people do).

    For the record, I voted "yes" not to segregate the jibbers into a ghetto, but because carving in softboots is fun, but is different from hardbooting. As far as I can tell there are no softboot snowboarding forums with any useful information... or that are even comprehensible to people capable of rational thought. It would be nice to have a softboot forum here which had the same kind of level of expertise and community, etc..

    reading again the first few pages and then the last few that I missed out on last nite, I notice that the two sides arguing arent even divided evenly by yes or no votes. some of you are pissed that softboots are getting relegated to the corner, some of you are elated that softboot carving is finally being given its own place. The other side is split in a similiar fashion.
    I used to think softboot carving belonged in the main forum, but it would just be easier on everyone to have ALL softboot content in one sub-forum. Fin? Let's do it.
    Most every carver I know has full respect for other carvers on any type of snow sliding equipment. There is actually very little anti-softboot rhetoric and nothing about what hardboot gear one rides.

    I never considered that BOL was anything but a hardboot site where discussion about softboots sometimes occurs. I consider a softboot forum a significant step up from the Off Topic forum.

    I just met a ripping softy carver today, duck stance and it did not matter which way he was facing, he carved. We are all after the same feeling. I bet this is how even our two exceptions would act on the hill (probably ;)).

    Seeing how much drama this poll alone has created, I think adding a whole separate area for softbooters is going to promote more softbooters on the forum in general and therefore more drama - not give them a place to bicker on their own. Inclusion is a great thing, but we have to remember it isn't like these people have no where else to go to discuss.

    This is a hardboot forum, and while I'm all for those of you who can carve in softies - this is still a hardboot forum. We don't ask to get special areas to discuss our niche area of the sport on TGR and other forums, so I don't think asking to keep this as a place for those of us who love to carve in hardboots is too much to ask.

    Part of the reason I love carving so much is because of the small community and closeness that comes from a smaller (in comparison) group of people who take part in the sport. A softbooter who has interest in hardbooting or in the freeride boards offered by primarily alpine board makers is one thing, but I would hate to see our sense of community and pride be watered down by creating an outlet for additional controversy and discussions that take away from the main point of why we are all here.

    I think a softboot forum would be a good idea because there are a significant number of us who still ride softies. I would if I could justify the expense for the few days a year I would need them. It would be helpful to be able to discuss softbooting with like-minded snowboarders who also hardboot, instead of having to go wade through some unfamiliar softbooter forum crowded with people who have never experienced the way we like to ride.

    Softbootsailor, I too would be very sad to see you go. You are a huge asset to this forum and the carving community. I'm sure you don't remember me, but during my first few days at SES 08 when I was brand new to hardbooting, you went out of your way to stop by and offer encouragement to a very lonely, discouraged new carver. You suggested some other runs that might be better suited to my level of (in)ability and just generally cheered me up, then left some beautiful tracks for me to try to emulate. Your kindness and thoughtfulness where absolutely one of the highlights of my trip. I really hope you can shake off the spiteful attacks from thoughtless, immature people, and continue to offer your contributions here.

  7. Ankle Recovery - How long?

    in Carving Central

    Posted

    How long will this take to get back to close to normal? I have not tried to put it into the snowboard boot yet.

    Congratulations on getting out of the cast! Could you have ever imagined how nice it would be to wash your foot?

    A few years ago, I broke my lateral malleolus (and the mid-shaft of the fibula on the other leg - not a good move). Obviously, it was a different break from yours, since the fibula only bears about 10% of the weight. I managed to sprain the ankle pretty well in the process. My ankle was in a plaster cast for about two weeks and a walking boot for a few weeks after that.

    For me, progress was non-linear - be ready for a few plateaus, but keep at it. In some ways, my ankle will never be the same, but I feel like I have better balance and a stronger, less sprain-able ankle now than before my injury.

    My healing proceeded faster in some areas than others. I biked several miles to my 8 week check up appointment, but my ankle would swell and be painful after a moderate hike for months.

    Not sure if you're up for more advice, but here are a few things that were important in my recovery....

    I second everyone's advice about really going after your PT and any range of motion work you can dream up for yourself. The key term in my recovery was "as tolerated," which I took as advice to pay attention to my pain level and permission to do as much of any activity/therapy as would allow me to function the next day.

    Are you able to bear weight on your leg yet? Gentle weight bearing exercises (without the boot whenever possible - I can elaborate if you care, but I'm already going on and on) were the turning point for my bone healing. Once that was on track, balance and strengthening work were the key to "fixing" my loose sprained ankle.

    Just two more things that helped me:

    - Biking, even with no resistance on an exercise bike, is *awesome* for loosening things up and creating more fluidity of movement.

    - Immersing my ankle in very hot water then ice water then hot water, etc. did amazing things for flushing out inflammation.... most PTs will recommend some version of this therapy

    Best of luck in your recovery!

  17. Bummer at Bachelor

    in Carving Central

    Posted

    Hey Max,

    Glad to hear you made it home safe and sound. It was great to meet you, although it's too bad that we didn't get to ride together. You're such a fit and determined person that you're bound to impress everyone with your healing time.

    I keep trying to sum up my feelings about your accident, but I guess I'm still too frustrated and shocked to articulate my thoughts.

    Props to Shane. As RJ would say, he's a solid unit.

    Heal up well, and let's make some turns together next year.

    Rebecca

  19. Drills for developing comfort with speed?

    in Carving Central

    Posted

    The best thing you can do for her is tell her the basics, get off her case, and let her do her thing.

    Great advice in this thread! Allee's point about letting your friend rack up some miles is especially good. It's easy to get information overload when you're learning. For me, 1-3 exercises or things to focus on are about all I can handle in a day, and then I have to get out and "feel" it over and over again. Aside from that, sometimes it's fun to just ride with your friends, even the ones who could offer loads of advice, without worrying about what they think.

    Actually, just seeing that Steph has been riding for 15 years is terrific for me. It lets me pretend that I might look like her avatar in 12 years. :biggthump

    Sounds like you're on a good track. More girl carvers = awesome!

  20. Drills for developing comfort with speed?

    in Carving Central

    Posted

    Hi there!

    Good on ya for helping a girl out. While I'm not as good or strong a rider as many BOLers, I happen to be a chick and may be able to offer some insight....

    Most (not all) women are less aggressive riders than most (not all) men. It sounds like your friend may fit nicely into this pattern. I know I do. More aggressive riders, by and large, are able to overcome flaws in their technique by simply going faster, taking more chances and learning by trial and the occasionally scary or painful error. Less aggressive riders like yours truly and a few other women and men I've watched are *not* comfortable learning this way. We learn by building a skill slowly, in pieces, and then, as we feel the skill start to work, very gradually increasing our speed/edge angle/whatever. Very different processes, but similar goals.

    It is possible that your friend is more intuitive than I am, but for me, the worst possible advice is along the lines of "trust the edge," "just put the board higher on edge," "go faster," that sort of thing. It is non-specific and makes me feel inadequate that I can't "just do it." Clear, technical advice, accompanied by static demonstrations or breaking toeside and heelside down turn by turn or just slow, balanced, carved traverses were much more helpful in moving me along. I happen to have a great instructor to help me (hard to find, but so worth it), so I don't have to rely on my more intuitive, aggressive (well-meaning) boyfriend.

    One great thing about my instructor is that he teaches "good" or "pretty" skidded turns with carved turns. Since I have a bit of a fear factor, I am able to increase my speed and aggression only if I'm confident that at any point I can slow down or stop. In my opinion, skidding is as or more important than carving for learning (flame away).

    I've probably gone on too long already, but one more thought.... I'm sure there are exceptions, but the less aggressive riders I know (men and women) are/were MUCH more comfortable starting out on softies. When I started out, I felt like the hardboots locked me in concrete and took me for a ride, where I felt like I had more power to influence a softboot setup. I simply felt more comfortable and confident on softies, which is why I made my first carved turns on softboots, many days before my first carved turns on hardboots. Now, while I love my hardboots and can feel some limitations of softboots, I am still more aggressive and confident on softies.

    Just what worked for me.... Everyone is different.

  21. Tinkler TNTs In Action

    in Carving Central

    Posted

    :biggthump

    The definition of "Full System" keeps expanding doesn't it? Mike Tinkler and Jim McG were the first hardbooters Buell and I ever saw in person, and the pictures make it easy to remember how we got hooked!

    Can't wait to see the new toys at OES.

  24. Salomon Optima women's softboots - 23.5 mondo/size 6

    in For Sale

    Posted

    Salomon Optima softboots, mondo 23.5, women's size 6, in near perfect condition - $75 + shipping

    These are Salomon's top of the line, stiffest women's softboots. The liners were only used one day and the shells were used 3 days. The boots retail for $250.

    For size reference, I wear a size 6.5 - 7 in a street shoe.

    I'm happy to send full size pics and answer questions!

    Thanks,

    Rebecca

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