bumpyride Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Limit this to you guys that have actually ridden one of these things. Thoughts, recommendations, shortcomings. I'm weighing in at 150, and does a 168 make the most sense. Mostly backcountry and powder riding use for this board. I already have a Burton Fish that I haven't used yet. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utahdeafcarver Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 nice pow board, but have a shop cut the swallowtail a little longer and bigger, it doesn't sink much with the swallowtail it has. i'll be on my 2nd year on one this winter. the boat hull nose wants to force the board to lean to either side when you have to get on the groomers. have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ-PS Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Jeff shoot me some pics and specs of what the shop did with your 4807. rj@exoticboards.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekdut Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 utahdeafcarver: interesting idea. Did it make a noticible difference? Has anyone considered using rods or bars across the gap to increase torsional stiffness of a swallow tail board like some custom split tail alpine boards? You could maintain tail sink, while gaining some carving grip when down on the groomers. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 DtD: http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/search.php?searchid=16041 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark.Andersen Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 UtahDeafCarver: I've been tempted to take the jigsaw to the swallowtail of my 4807. I was wondering how much ABS there is back there to work with. Did your cut end up going into the wood/core or just shaving out more of the ABS? Pics would be great!!! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCR Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Cool idea. Never thought about modding my 4807. But then, I haven't had a chance to ride it yet. Yes, please post pics. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekdut Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 DtD:http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/search.php?searchid=16041 D-sub.. broken link? "Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms." What were you trying to search? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utahdeafcarver Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I haven't actually done it yet. Like I said, last year was my first on that board in the pow but I was actually advised to get it cut then, didn't do it. After last year's experience, I'm going to go ahead and do the mod. I'll be plunking down the small dough to get it done soon and hopefully can get some pics and specs posted here. Sorry to imply otherwise, I was just speaking from experience and passing on what advice I was given. The advice came from none other than Dennis Nazari, owner and founder of Salty Peaks Snowboard Shop. You guys gotta see his skateboard and snowboard museum in his shop; utterly amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Sale Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Isn't it easier and less destructive to just move the bindings back? (I just bought a 168.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCR Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Isn't it easier and less destructive to just move the bindings back? That would be way too easy and not nearly as cool. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utahdeafcarver Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Don't assume I didn't. I used both TD1 Step-ins with Burton Fire boots and Flow bindings with Burton Driver boots, with bindings mounted in the rearmost possible position. Even then, I found I had to adjust my stance more to keep my nose up. The board is awesome when the nose is up and you're flying downhill at speed, not too much effort, but the swallowtail is not giving enough "sink" to make it as effortless as I think it should be at slower speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonerider Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Don't assume I didn't. I used both TD1 Step-ins with Burton Fire boots and Flow bindings with Burton Driver boots, with bindings mounted in the rearmost possible position. Even then, I found I had to adjust my stance more to keep my nose up. The board is awesome when the nose is up and you're flying downhill at speed, not too much effort, but the swallowtail is not giving enough "sink" to make it as effortless as I think it should be at slower speeds. Just to help out the original poster (and me since I weigh the same). How much do you weigh and do your have the 168 or the 178 4807? I currently have a 156 Fish and that board extremely good at keeping it's nose up automatically, even at a lower speeds (although not if you come to a complete stop as it is a little bit smaller than most other powder boards). It is effortless to snake it through trees at any speed. At high speeds, you actually have shift your weight forward a little otherwise the nose go up too much and you start bouncing like a speedboat on the ocean. Definitely the Fish and the 4807 are designed for different types of powder riding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdboytyler Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Just to help out the original poster (and me since I weigh the same) Definitely the Fish and the 4807 are designed for different types of powder riding. I would disagree. I use to own both a Fish 156cm and 4807 168cm. I thought the two boards rode fairly similar. However, the 4807 was better in almost every aspect. The 4807 floated better, felt more stable at higher speeds, carved better on groomed, and was easier to handle in moguls and chopped up powder. For riding powder in tight trees, the 4807 and the Fish were pretty much equal. What was really nice about the Fish was that it held a good resale value. I bought the Fish brand new on EBay for $150. After the Fish got benched, I was able to sell it used on EBay for $150 My only complaint about the 4807 is that because of the 25cm waist, it does feel slow when going edge to edge on groomed runs. Now that I like the 4807, it makes me want to try out a "real" swallow tail powder board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonerider Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 I would disagree. I use to own both a Fish 156cm and 4807 168cm. I thought the two boards rode fairly similar. However, the 4807 was better in almost every aspect.The 4807 floated better, felt more stable at higher speeds, carved better on groomed, and was easier to handle in moguls and chopped up powder. For riding powder in tight trees, the 4807 and the Fish were pretty much equal. That doesn't really sound like they ride similarly at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdboytyler Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 That doesn't really sound like they ride similarly at all. They ride similarly in that both boards are good for tree-riding. The Fish and 4807 are both versatile powder boards on the shorter end of the scale. The two boards are in direct competition with each other. From what I've read, bigger swallow tail boards aren't good for trees, but excel in wide-open bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonerider Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 They ride similarly in that both boards are good for tree-riding.Ah, but if you re-reading my post. You'll see that my previous sentence references as to how poorly the Fish rides in open-bowls at high speeds, whereas the 4807 doesn't have this issue... hence the following sentence about how the 4807 is different. It's crazy how I sometimes manage to string my thoughts together in a coherent manner :)To the original author, gdboytyler is 135 lbs and rides the 168 cm board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Sale Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 utahdeafcarver, are you a lightweight? Maybe you don't have enough pounds to sink the tail. I haven't mounted bindings yet and I'm wondering where to locate them for my 180 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 IMO Locate them as close to "Center" as possible. If you have to locate your bindings very far off the "Center" or sweet spot than you are on too short a board. Seeing guys riding the tail, straight legged, leaning back and pointing it straight is far to "Typical". At 180cm I would definitely be on a 178cm , it is the larges 4807 and would likely allow you to mount closer to center which would inturn allow the board to "Flow" turns as intended. GO BIG !! There is no replacement for displacement!!! Big Board Bryan Longboard Gallery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordy Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I too have ridden both and own the Fish in the 56 and 60 size as well as the Malolo in the 62. I think the dynastar board is slow sluggish and a little boaring to ride. All the burton shapes are light snappy, and float just fine! At 150 you should give your Fish a try before you even think about a boat shape. Jeff(utahdeafcarver) hit the nail on the head about the hull shape on the groomers. Very crappy. I live in UT and hike all the time. I have ridden lots of big pow swallows and am just plan tired of halling around all that extra unneeded board. If you are a newbie pow rider then the big sticks helps, it makes life easy in till you feel good. The little pow boards give you the ability to plane and trim much better then any big swallow a skill that any Big mountain rider must master. Most of the time people pitch big shapes and you mention trim they look at you cross eyed because they have not had the pleasure of working the board on the virtacle plane! I know that the snow is light fluffy and soft here and My friend ride all types of pow boards. I am never left behind on even my smallest fish. And once we hit the trees its all over. Also it easier to panic turn a pin tail shape then a swallow tail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Good example of difference of opinions and and how snow conditions effect your choice of stick. At well over 200lbs. A 162cm would be like riding a Snurfer. Much to short for our typical snow conditions. Dusty dry pow is not seen very often. When it does , I can see how a short board could work ok. I have a fish , I need a second one for the other foot :p Ability vs size is a no win discussion based in futility. Experts and beginners can ride short boards and long boards for many different reasons. Attaching ability to length is tricky at best. Snow is on the way. Getting JAZZED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordy Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Yup, The other overlooked factor is what type of pitch you dig. Most of what I ride i have no problem generating the speed to plane on any size board. Bryan I was up to 185 at one point(Back down to 165 now!) and my short sticks held up great for me. I have some friends that are well over 210 who ride a short tapered shape in the Fresh UT snow but for you northerners with that wet stuff life is for sure different! You should come down for the WTC every year we have had a hard boot gathering its dumped! Go figure!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy S. Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I'm thinking I want to chuck the 4807 that I have and get a big Axis, or maybe a split Prior ATV!!! for powder riding. Since I tore my achilles last season on my 4807 I'm thinking it has bad karma. If I only had the $960 for that split board. Anyone want to buy a 4807 that's been beat hard, but doesn't have a lot of days on it (delam'd one tail, p-tex repairs to base, boat p-tex ground thin by stupid shop monkey, edges scratched from rocks)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCR Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Anyone want to buy a 4807 that's been beat hard, but doesn't have a lot of days on it (delam'd one tail, p-tex repairs to base, boat p-tex ground thin by stupid shop monkey, edges scratched from rocks)? A hush comes over the crowd... :D You could always put it on ebay for ~$50 and see what happens. You'd have to make it really cheap at any rate. I got my OSin4807 new for $100 on ebay during the offseason, though I did talk the guy down from ~$150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy S. Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 A hush comes over the crowd... :DYou could always put it on ebay for ~$50 and see what happens. You'd have to make it really cheap at any rate. I got my OSin4807 new for $100 on ebay during the offseason, though I did talk the guy down from ~$150. Yeah, I got mine cheap too. I'm not really going to sell it. I'll keep it to hang on the wall if nothing else. I'd never sell someone a board that was as messed up as this one is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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