barryj Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 (edited) So...been having some soreness/tenderness in left butt check which I felt mostly when in my hardboots on the mtn. It got worse from riding that Really Deep pow of a couple weeks ago trying to pull my board to the left in the deep stuff....but it mostly had dissipated as of late. Today was out and made 1 run...and it was my best run/lap to date since the collision!...I actually felt like I was driving the board with power and agility. From the run/excitement I came into the ropes a little hot and had slowed down quite a bit before the ropes but needed to counter rotate hard to the left to avoid a rope wand and when I did I felt a Pop in my left butt cheek and it felt skeletal like a dislocation! Fortunately there was nobody in the ropes so I slid/skated up to the chair and assessed the pain. It felt sore and I couldn't touch my front foot boot without much effort and pain but no pain just standing there. So I rode the lift up and knew I could not do any hard charging but could do lazy S turns back to lodge but I could feel the tenderness all the way down. I went straight to my car and my Chriopractor. My gait is better now but I feel it walking. No problems walking, sitting, standing, bending but it is tender to reach my toes but I can do it. I got a lidocane/Icy hot patch on it right after the Chiropractor and took 3 Advil....but I'm really bummed I was just getting my Mojo back and now this!!! Looks like I'm off the mtn. the rest of this week at a minimum! UGH! What do the Sages say????? Edited May 25 by barryj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 ice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted February 9 Author Report Share Posted February 9 5 minutes ago, bigwavedave said: ice! Yep...doing that But thinking about it this left leg/hip has bothered me consistently since the collision. At first I had trouble picking it up high enough to get over a step or up stairs...and even now a year later steps and stairs felt ok but I would avoid them if possible! Something down there must of never totally recovered! ......and now I really pissed it off! Ugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Job Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Yoga. I’m sure Tahoe has yoga pants talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big mario Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 3 hours ago, barryj said: What do the Sages say????? Not a sage, but I would recommend visiting a health care professional with some kind of experiance in that type of thing, ie; your a$$ doctor 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortcutToMoncton Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 This is my loose change only, so take it as such. But I strongly feel your mistake is going straight to your chiropractor instead of your doctor. Chiropractors are not doctors. I will shut my mouth and not open a can of worms on what chiropractors actually are, but suffice it to say that a doctor & physiotherapist are likely the only two health professionals you need to be visiting for a string of chronic injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted February 9 Author Report Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, ShortcutToMoncton said: mistake is going straight to your chiropractor I already had a Chiro appointment scheduled so it actually worked out perfectly and I felt immediate relief and my stride was much better after the appointment. I'm going to the clinic today that we have here on the Mtn. to get evaluated, which I'm sure will just end up being a referral to the Ortho clinic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Agree with above I triangulate to the truth with my medical specialists. Each has a perspective and purpose but also inherent limitations by virtue of their framework. If you think you may have torn a muscle get to the guy that has capacity to repair that (and obviously evaluate it as well) Evaluation by a terminal expert with capacity for a repair is far different than evaluation by one of the many host of screeners and sorters that point you to a specialist. That said not every problem needs surgery and surgeons arent going to be the best at the less than surgical physical derangements so you need a physical medicine guy as well. My experience has been that osteopaths are more integrated into traditional medicine and easier to refer on when need be but a chiropractor or good therapist is certainly very valuable. Disclaimer out of the way A sacral shear is a common and often underlooked condition that has effected me and I expect may be fairly common with snowboarding in general as internal rotation of leg can gap the SI joint such that a vertical force can then sublux the SI joint. pop in but-cheek - check skeletal dislocation - check Here is the best diagram I could find as it was explained to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 11 hours ago, ShortcutToMoncton said: ...your mistake is going straight to your chiropractor instead of your doctor. Chiropractors are not doctors. I will shut my mouth and not open a can of worms on what chiropractors actually are, So, you know nothing about Chiropractic yet felt the need to share your uninformed, biased opinion anyway? Now if you had said his first mistake was to put an F-plate on a Coiler Angrry, I might tend to agree, but I've never ridden an Angrry, with or without an F plate. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Gilmour Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 Did you ever take Cipro? causes tendon ruptures and muscle tears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordmetroland Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 The only way to truly determine this is to post pictures. Lots and lots of pictures… 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted February 10 Author Report Share Posted February 10 Made it in to the clinic here at Palisades today and after an examination and Xrays...... still no clue as to the Pop I felt, but nothing broken or torn they could see, so referring me to PT..............however long that will take to get in to as this is a Workers Comp situation and 1st, I have to go to an Occupational Health exam, 7 Days From Now! ....just to get my first PT appointment...which hopefully will be this Month!! Still no pain sitting, standing and the tenderness seems much less today. I was, of course stiffer this morning and I could feel tenderness in my stride when walking, especially anything with an slant......but that dissipated by noon. This evening I made it through my (3 times a week) evening weight routine aok....was able to do my Thurs. 2 sets of squats with 135lbs just fine and all the usual upper body sets with free weights as usual. I'll go back to my stretching tomorrow morning and if that goes well and if I keep feeling better I'm really tempted to get back on the horse and try my Swoard Dual or Moss PQ60 for a couple of easy runs on the groomers Fri. afternoon or night riding at Boreal to see if I can get down the Mtn. pain free. We will see..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted February 11 Author Report Share Posted February 11 Went out for a couple of runs on my easy turning Moss Snowstick....just to see if I could do it and how it would feel. Not much pain, a little tenderness while riding on the groomers but felt weak laterally in my hips. I stopped after 2 runs, just could tell I need more healing time. I hopefully will get a PT appointment set up next week. I talked to a couple of other snowboarders who also have had a Pop in their butt cheek/hip from a hard lateral motion/turn and they both said they were 7-10 days off the board and then they casually worked back into their daily on the board routine. I'm still thinking this is a lingering/residual injury/weakness from my collision a year ago and new PT will be a tremendous boost to my recovery and rebuilding my strength on that weak side. Time will tell...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortcutToMoncton Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 On 2/9/2023 at 3:41 PM, bigwavedave said: So, you know nothing about Chiropractic yet felt the need to share your uninformed, biased opinion anyway? I know a lot about chiropractic. Which is why I did not share any opinion… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_lupo Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 5 hours ago, barryj said: … I talked to a couple of other snowboarders who also have had a Pop in their butt cheek/hip from a hard lateral motion/turn and they both said they were 7-10 days off the board and then they casually worked back into their daily on the board routine. I'm still thinking this is a lingering/residual injury/weakness from my collision a year ago and new PT will be a tremendous boost to my recovery and rebuilding my strength on that weak side. Time will tell...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 10 hours ago, ShortcutToMoncton said: I know a lot about chiropractic. Which is why I did not share any opinion… You did share a misinformed opinion which was not in any way helpful to the O.P. That's the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted February 11 Author Report Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, bigwavedave said: 12 hours ago, ShortcutToMoncton said: I know a lot about chiropractic. Which is why I did not share any opinion… You did share a misinformed opinion which was not in any way helpful to the O.P. That's the problem. Come on boys!.......find another place for your little Tryst. None of this..... is in any way helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stevens Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, barryj said: Come on boys!.......find another place for your little Tryst. None of this..... is in any way helpful. But… This is what happens when you ask a group of lay people for medical advice. That said, if I lived in the States and didn’t want to trigger a five figure bill for simply presenting myself to emerg, I’d ask internets for medical advice too. Edited February 11 by Rob Stevens 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekempmeister Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, Rob Stevens said: But… This is what happens when you ask a group of lay people for medical advice. That said, if I lived in the States and didn’t want to trigger a five figure bill for simply presenting myself to emerg, I’d ask internets for medical advice too. Very perceptive comment. Just yesterday, I presented myself at the ER in Kootenay Hospital, BC (I am American). Super straightforward experience- I explained that i clearly cracked or broke some ribs and needed imaging and a doctor exam. Up front, I paid a three-line itemized bill (admission, doc fee, diagnostic imaging) $1315 CAD. I will have to try to submit for reimbursement from BCBS when I get home. 4 hours later, I walked out with a clear idea of what’s going on (3 hairline fractures and lung looks okay) and a scrip. good experience. i am not lobbying for nationalized medical care but there is something to be said for a transaction that is transparent and makes sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortcutToMoncton Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 On 2/11/2023 at 7:26 AM, bigwavedave said: You did share a misinformed opinion which was not in any way helpful to the O.P. That's the problem. That is completely incorrect. Let me be absolutely clear here: if anyone hears and feels a “pop” or “tearing” feeling that is immediately painful while strenuously exercising, then under no circumstances should they ever visit a chiropractor instead of a doctor. While alternative medicine practices certainly can be effective for some people in some circumstances, it is not a substitute for visiting your doctor—and, in this case, for targeted exercise and strengthening solutions from a physiotherapist. However, I admittedly did not consider that Barry might not wish to visit a doctor because of cost concerns. Please understand that outside of the US, this is not something that enters the mind of most people so it can be forgotten. I strongly feel that soliciting medical advice from laypersons on the internet instead of visiting a doctor is a completely useless, unhelpful and potentially dangerous exercise, but given the potential costs involved I do understand why someone might resort to that approach. Good luck! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 5 hours ago, ShortcutToMoncton said: Let me be absolutely clear here: I strongly feel that soliciting medical advice on the internet <or giving it> is a completely useless, unhelpful and potentially dangerous exercise Good luck! Just take your own advice and go ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Job Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 (edited) It has an upside, less taxes (taxes are still too high, for my taste)! I hate taxes and generally don't give a dam about social programs. Edited February 13 by Odd Job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 The next time someone tells you that seeing a doctor of chiropractic is risky or dangerous, consider this: Take a look at the following averages for medical malpractice costs for doctors in the state of Florida (or the state of your choice). Internal medicine: $25,000-45,000/year Surgical: $50,000-180,000/year OBGYN: $110,000 – 200,000/year Chiropractors: $500 – 3,000/year. (doctor of medicine in Canada $15,000 and up) Malpractice insurance carriers do not use myth or bias to determine premiums. They don't say, "Hey lets charge those rich medical doctors way more so we can give those nice chiropractors a discount". They use raw data based on the likelihood a patient would suffer injury and/or there would be litigation against the doctor. The fact that chiropractors pay a fraction of a fraction of what all medical doctors pay for malpractice is a clear indicator as to its safety. On 2/9/2023 at 7:34 AM, ShortcutToMoncton said: Chiropractors are not doctors. That's an obfuscation. All chiropractors have a doctorate in chiropractic (not medicine) from accredited institutions that meet standards of curriculum set by the federal department of education for all institutions that issue doctorate degrees, including medical schools. Pre-chiropractic education is exactly the same as pre-med, often in the same schools. All over North America chiropractors are licensed as primary care physicians because they are trained in differential diagnosis, so you don't need a referral to see one. All chiropractors pass a national board exam as well as a state licensing exam in order to practice. I am a retired chiropractor (practiced for 40 yrs) and thought I'd seen the last of this type of arrogant, narrow minded, uninformed opinion. I worked with medical doctors, referred patients to them, received referrals from them, treated nurses and all kinds of other health professionals. I ride with a retired medical doctor and a nurse who both see chiropractors. Sometimes they're a carvers best friend. So, @ShortcutToMoncton, I feel sorry for you for having such a closed mind and antiquated view that you are not likely to ever experience how helpful chiropractic is. But, please stop spreading lies and misinformation and giving medical advice on the internet. P.S. Sorry Barry, I couldn't let this go. Follow the advice of your chiropractor and medical dr and don't be afraid to see both of them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted February 13 Author Report Share Posted February 13 19 minutes ago, bigwavedave said: chiropractors. Sometimes they're a carvers best friend. Absolutely agree! From my collision and being air lifted off the mtn. it was almost 6 weeks before I could get in to see a Doc ! So the only major relief I got or felt after my collision was from those Chiropractic visits!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortcutToMoncton Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 Haha, I suspected I’d found the chiropractor. Just to be perfectly clear: so it is your recommendation, as a chiropractor, that someone who feels a sudden pop or tearing feeling while exercising, followed by intense pain, should see a chiropractor instead of a doctor/physiotherapist? I’ll wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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