barryj Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 So when I get new 425's I'm going to make the old pair dedicated pow boots.....softer tongue, oem liner and move the BTS to the new boots. The BTS didn't seem to hinder me in any way when in the knee deep pow but thinking no need for BTS if that's the old boots sole purpose. So wondering what other hard boot pow riders are doing/using if any suspension. stock suspension, walk mode, aftermarket BTS style. ???? My pow ride, Moss PQ60 loves the pow but loves to carve it up also on the groom..............so maybe I'll get another BTS setup for the pow board if it isn't as responsive on the groom without BTS. Huh!, I think I just answered my own question! 1/2 edges and BTS don't impact or slow ya down in the pow but Really come in handy on the groom!! Geez! ...more shit to order! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 With my Atomic Backlands I'm using the Phantom springs, which those Colorado split-boarding guys produce. I've been running them for a few seasons now and they work fine. I don't really need the suspension - I rode the boots with the standard levers in deep powder - but I do need the increased forward lean I can get from the Phantoms, specifically for my back leg. I ride the exact same set up in back country powder and on piste, although it's taken me some time to tune things so that works. When I rode hardboot snowboard boots I used the stock suspension and it was fine for me, so I'm not sure that one needs additional stuff. Haven't seen the sun for a couple of days, but this is the last time it was out... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) The Backlands with the Phantom levers are really fantastic in soft snow. Edited January 23, 2023 by lonbordin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kirk Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 I use old raichle 125 (very soft) boots with BTS and very soft springs. I love them. dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladia Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 I just unlock both AT boots. (Scarpa or Dynafit). Usually ridding front locked, back boot unlocked. Spring systems are pretty much in set up position. I have DGSS on my Zero Degree boots. I think DGSS is better than BTS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big mario Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) Same as carving, I just moderate my inputs, its been a while since I've seen a real (12"+) pow day Edited January 7, 2023 by big mario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dredman Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, David Kirk said: I use old raichle 125 (very soft) boots with BTS and very soft springs. I love them. Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carvin' Marvin Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 I just back off the springs a few turns on my MS boots and increase forward lean for shallower angles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Carvin' Marvin said: I just back off the springs a few turns on my MS boots and increase forward lean for shallower angles. Same here. Once my MS boots were dialed in, I no longer felt a need for my soft Raichles or Backlands. But then, I'm rarely in over a foot of powder and my swallowtail PC carvers work great with hardboots, so maybe not relevant for Barry. ...nevermind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowburn Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 I ride pow with UPZ XC12 stock. I like them both on and off piste. When I ride groomers all day I use my RC12's for better support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRUPI Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 This is my spring system ( DGSS ) for Deeluxe/Raichle 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamby Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 I use Deelux 700s with BTS blue springs when riding powder at the resort. I use Phantom springs on Atomic Hawx 130 boots for my splitboard setup (with gold springs installed presently). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWM Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) For pow (splitboarding) I use Scarpa Aliens modified with Phantom springs. They are as light (uptrack) and compact (boot-out matters in the backcountry too) as you can get, and very soft-flexing and surfy. Edited January 11, 2023 by TWM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) At first, I have used the Dalbello CarveX, which I have modified to flex more and installed the BTS, in all conditions. Later, I have switched to unmodified Dalbellos and just flipped between Ski//Carve/Walk settings on the switch. Next came the Head Vega, softer version of Stratos, also just flipping the switch. Right now, I'm on K2 Mindbenders AT boots, with my home made springs. Edited January 12, 2023 by BlueB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted January 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, BlueB said: just flipped between Ski//Carve/Walk settings on the switch. Yeah, I'd really like to do this with my 425's but my pow board loves to carve when I pop out on the groom so using BTS and 1/2 edges really makes a difference on my carving but doesn't seem to cost me anything in the pow. I was hoping to get rid of BTS but just haven't found anything better considering I do both mediums.....on the same run usually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nextcarve Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) On 1/12/2023 at 7:34 PM, BlueB said: Right now, I'm on K2 Mindbenders AT boots, with my home made springs. Interesting setup. What kind of T-shaped supports did you use to mount the springs on? Can you still switch between springs and walk? Edited January 14, 2023 by nextcarve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 5 hours ago, nextcarve said: Interesting setup. What kind of T-shaped supports did you use to mount the springs on? Can you still switch between springs and walk? I've fabricated them out of aluminum angles, to fit exactly where the bases of the original wylk/ski latch used to be. I still can put that back, in an unlikely event I go touring. No walk mode now. But, the springs are very soft, compared to BTS, and boot sole has some rocker, so kind of walkable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roch Posted January 15, 2023 Report Share Posted January 15, 2023 19 hours ago, BlueB said: So kind of walkable. Can't be any worse that stumbling around in upz's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neanderthal Posted January 22, 2023 Report Share Posted January 22, 2023 I have this spring system on my powderboots and LOVE it. (https://www.extremecarving.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11201) Far better for me than the BTS or DGSS because it is low profile and seems more dynamic without a dead spot in the middle of flex at the neutral position. Not sure if they are still available from the Noble crew but I highly recommend after trying all the other systems. If a big hike is involved then AT boots are great! unlocked in the rear foot or with the Phantom springs. This setup works well but if its deep I probably wont hike far and am reassured wearing intecs which make it so much easier to escape a tree well or just dig out after I submarine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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