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The latest from their FB page, below.  

I reached out for some inside info... there's hope they will open the 14th.

I thought the Vail buy might be good for PP.  I do not think so anymore based on the info I received.  I'm actually more bummed than I've been... I guess I'm going to have to start making the drives over to Perfect North... oof.

The team is gearing up for the next 48 hours of cold temps

UPDATES (to provide transparency )

Opening Date - TBA

Tubing Date - TBA

Many have asked, we will NOT be open the weekend of Jan 7

We hear you loud and clear - we wanted to provide a status.

Keep thinking cold for us, we can't wait to welcome you back!

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vail bought afton alps in minnesota. this year they've reduced their operating hours. used to be open 10AM weekdays and now it's 1PM. i don't ride there often but many people are upset. the problem is when they open at noon the ski teams show up at 3pm and take over the place. it's not fair to season pass holders.

from what i hear not all of the chairlifts at afton are running and the lines are ridiculous.

i don't know what is driving this. could be global warming. could be covid. could be vail/afton can't get people to work because they're too cheap.

 

good luck at PP.

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Similar here at Mad River in Ohio, owned by Vail.

Finally opened this weekend, but for the season, the hours are greatly reduced.

In the past:

M-Th 10am - 9pm

F 10am - 2am

Sat 9am - 2am

Sun 9am - 9pm

This year:

M-F 3pm - 9pm

Sat/Sun 10am - 5pm

Yesterday was the most crowded I've seen by 12pm.

I'll be going to Perfect North on Tuesday to get a day in, even though I have a season pass to Mad River.

I'll probably buy a season pass to Snow Trails in Mansfield next year.

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On 1/8/2022 at 6:06 PM, bobble said:

vail bought afton alps in minnesota....

from what i hear not all of the chairlifts at afton are running and the lines are ridiculous.

i don't know what is driving this. could be global warming. could be covid. could be vail/afton can't get people to work because they're too cheap.

 

good luck at PP.

Weekends (Sat/Sun) open at 9:30, and weekdays are 1:00. Splitting hairs, but still, it's a bummer for those of us who like to get in those quiet, weekday morning turns. This point last season, I'd been to Afton maybe 15 times. This year; 2. As Bob pointed out, both those sessions were ended because of lift lines.

My best guess is this is partly driven by labor shortages. Look around the resort, and you see almost no staff under the age of 40 (at last outside of the chalet). Maybe that's a Vail decision? Years past you'd always have "kids" working the lifts. That doesn't appear to be the case, now.

Last visit, the Alps and Main lots were full before the lifts even started turning. One, singe, lonely lift/run in Highlands. Plenty of 'snow', things were groomed, just 1/2 the hill was roped-off. They could have easily opened every single lift, and in years past, they would have. Again, I'm guessing they, like many other businesses, simply can't find the personnel.   

 

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So, the board members saw the future....

Hours posted:
 

Thursday, January 13, 1pm - 8 pm

Friday, January 14, 1 pm - 8 pm

Saturday, January 15, 11 am - 6 pm

Sunday, January 16, 11 am - 6 pm

To put those 28 open hours in perspective, which apparently will be the operating hours this season, Paoli before last season was open 90 hours per week.  Apparently, they won't even be open for President's Day a huge Monday for them typically?!

Additional things that are unavailable this season:
- Park features
- Pro Shop
- Ski lessons
- Snow monsters (kids ski daycare)
- The bar (not that it was ever consistently open before)
- Web cams

I'll be taking a long hard look Thursday to see if Vail has made any investments as it likely will tell the future.  As of last season you wouldn't know Paoli was a Vail/Epic property from an on-site visit.  


 

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So Alpine Valley and Paoli Peaks share the distinction of Epic resorts that haven't opened yet, Joy.

I wondered what are the hours of the rest of the Epic resorts in the MidWest and NorthEast.
So I scraped the sites of the resorts and made a table.  (Speaking of that is there a way to insert tables in our forum?? Sorry about the formatting!)

So Alpine Valley, OH & Snow Creek, MO & Paoli Peaks, IN all share something in common.  Closed days.
Which is odd since the season is so short one would think you'd want your resort to be open daily at minimum.  It's crazy to think that Paoli Peaks would've been up there with Roudtop and Liberty hours just two seasons ago.  Perfect North Slopes in Lawrenceburg, IN is privately owned and they are open 12 hours per day Sun-Thurs and 14.5 hours per day on Friday & Saturday.

I'm a bit put out that I paid for a full price pass with the understanding they would be open daily like they have for the past ~20 years. 😧


Resort    Monday    Tuesday    Wednesday    Thursday    Friday    Saturday    Sunday    Weekly    Night    Region
Alpine Valley    0    0    0    0    5.5    7    7    19.5    Y    MidWest
Snow Creek        0    0    0    0    6    7    7    20    Y    MidWest
Paoli Peaks        0    0    0    7    7    7    7    28    Y    MidWest
Hidden Valley    4    4    4    4    4    8    8    36    Y    MidWest
Mad River        6    6    6    6    6    7    7    44    Y    MidWest
Wildcat        6.5    6.5    6.5    6.5    6.5    6.5    6.5    45.5    N    NorthEast
BM&BW    6        6    6    6    6    8    8    46    Y    MidWest
Hunter        7    7    7    7    7    7.5    7.5    50    N    NorthEast
Attitash        7    7    7    7    7    7.5    7.5    50    N    NorthEast
MT Snow        7    7    7    7    7    8    8    51    N    NorthEast
Okemo            7    7    7    7    7    8    8    51    N    NorthEast
MT Sunapee        7    7    7    7    7    8    8    51    N    NorthEast
Crotched        0    0    8    12    12    12    8    52    Y    NorthEast
Stowe            8    8    8    8    8    8    8    56    N    NorthEast
Wilmot        7    7    7    7    7    11    11    57    Y    MidWest
Afton Alps        7    7    7    7    8    11.5    10.5    58    Y    MidWest
MT Brighton        8    8    8    8    8    12    10    62    Y    MidWest
Whitetail        8    8    8    12    12    12    12    72    Y    NorthEast
JF&BB            11    11    11    11    11    11    11    77    Y    MidWest
Roundtop        9    9    12    12    12    13    13    80    Y    NorthEast
Liberty        11    11    11    12    12    14    12    83    Y    NorthEast

Edit: Sorry for the doom-n-gloom.... I'm going to try to focus on the positive...

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yeah, this sucks donkey balls! it's not even worth going to afton at this point on the weekends. lines and runs are crazy long/crowded 45 min after opening. vail is doing an excellent job at losing all the long time pass holders.

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1 hour ago, trent said:

yeah, this sucks donkey balls! it's not even worth going to afton at this point on the weekends. lines and runs are crazy long/crowded 45 min after opening. vail is doing an excellent job at losing all the long time pass holders.

From the west Metro, Powder Ridge isn't all that much further. Gets a guy thinking, that's for sure.

 

Sorry for hijacking your thread @lonbordin

 

Back to Paoli...

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I've only been to Steven's once, on a random weekday, 5-years ago. So, pre-Vail, and bar-none, the busiest place I've ever been to. I just couldn't believe the number of people there. Literal ants-on-a-sugar-hill. And it was raining! Cars lined-up, just waiting to get in the (full) parking lots. Did I mention it was raining? We left after 3 "runs", which was some of the most nerve-racking people-dodging I've ever done. Now, if that's how it was before Vail got ahold of it? I can't even imagine it any worse. Anyway, just my one, random experience.

Next day we went to Mission Ridge; $20, real (eg. 'dry') snow, not a lift line in sight, and all of us wondering why we didn't just drive a few more hours, the day before. 

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On 1/10/2022 at 7:51 AM, lonbordin said:

Hours posted:

Thursday, January 13, 1pm - 8 pm

Friday, January 14, 1 pm - 8 pm

Saturday, January 15, 11 am - 6 pm

Sunday, January 16, 11 am - 6 pm

Not good!  I don't like to go on weekends and Fridays so that leaves one day for me. I usually like to do a morning session and leave before 1, so that's out also. 30 something days is not much of a ski season.

 

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Opening day and you know I was there at open.

3 runs open, 1 lift , and the magic carpet. More than half of the hill was blocked off and plenty of grass showing on Oak.

Said the base was 18"... I struck dirt twice. My carves maybe deep on occasion but not that deep.

Two of the heads of OPS were playing the roles of lifties.

It was great to be on the snow again. Wow I've really missed it.

Photos:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/USakLNM4pLJRidHj9

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Certain muscles are talking to me tonight!
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Day two. Focus was on dialing in the new boots.

Some grass coming through in the center of Mindbender.  Woo, thin.

Speaking of thin I hope they are able to hire some people!

Nice afternoon and made some real progress with the setup.

Oh and they made a last minute change to be open MLK day from 10-3pm. 🤪

 

 

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Yeah short report... I'm tired feeling old.
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8 hours ago, lonbordin said:

Day two. Focus was on dialing in the new boots.

Some grass coming through in the center of Mindbender.  Woo, thin.

Speaking of thin I hope they are able to hire some people!

Nice afternoon and made some real progress with the setup.

Oh and they made a last minute change to be open MLK day from 10-3pm. 🤪

what's the reason for closing at 3pm? not enough staff? save money on lights?

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48 minutes ago, bobble said:

what's the reason for closing at 3pm? not enough staff? save money on lights?

Good questions. Up to yesterday they weren't going to be open at all.

From what I've heard and seen it's staff, as in they don't have any. But that's expected... there are lots of places hiring in the Paoli region that start at way more than 11.25

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Vail Co. Sucks, there I said it. The amount that's being asked of the local OPS crew is simply absurd. I sure appreciate  their efforts and I think upper Vail Co. management should resign. Disgraceful, all in the name of shareholder profit.

Whew... I feel better.

Got to ride with the one and only Deisel Mike and his son and my son. That was great! The surface conditions were less than optimal and I was working on the new boots. I definitely need to do some further tweaking on my setup as it was also less than optimal. My riding was not good, out of wack.  Still it was a lot of fun to tailgate Mike.

Already did some tweaking... might try a short am session tomorrow to test.

Oh, they opened the quad lift... that side needs a lot more time with the groomer!!  

 

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Was back at PP today.

Got the boots straightened out and a little of my mojo back...

They had blown some snow.

It was probably a top five busy day in all the years I've been coming here. The ticket line went around the west side of the building. Luckily the reduced staff greatly slowed their exodus to the snow.

The quad lift side still needs more grooming passes but it was better than yesterday. 

Photos (note the line for the magic carpet. You can walk uphill MUCH faster than the carpet.):

https://photos.app.goo.gl/4MY7L9V6R6fs3zhd9

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Of course I left before the slopes got nuts
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