Neil Gendzwill Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 So in an effort to avoid work today I made a little video comparing the stiffness of my 3 active boards. I knew the Flagship (2020, 162w) was softer but it really felt soft compared to my 2 Coilers. My 180 Nirvana is also way stiffer than my 167 AMT although it doesn’t feel that much stiffer on snow, I mostly feel the bigger turning radius. If you can’t tell from the video, I was honking on them as hard as I could. The Flagship is supposedly a relatively stiff board as these things go. Are any commercial softie boards much stiffer? https://imgur.com/a/IYG3XHM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_lupo Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 This is waaay too relevant to be in the lodge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Just some observations: Flagship bends in quite an uniform arc, but has a dead spot under the front binding. AMT bends a bit more in the middle. Nirvana bends almost only in the middle, where you pressed it. Also, it has pigeon-toed stance... probably just provisionally mounted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) I have an old metaltop Elan Vertigo, that's quite a plank. It rides like an alpine board. Funniest part is that it's really thin. I guess, they used very think titanal, so the core had to be thin. Edited October 16, 2021 by BlueB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) @Neil Gendzwill Although the experiment shows a significant result using the intra-ocular traumatic test of statistical significance, the engineers and scientists amongst the watchers will cringe at the uncontrolled variables on your test bench (floor). Some learned comments from another thread to inform your test results. Edited October 6, 2021 by SunSurfer add thread link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted October 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Not sure what’s up with my Nirvana bindings, I noticed that too. They’ll get removed again when I pack the boards up for the next trip as that board is always bottom of the stack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted October 16, 2021 Report Share Posted October 16, 2021 Cool, I'd like to see a more controlled test, like with the boards on two chairs or sawhorses, and the same weight being placed in the middle. I would hazard a guess that the Ride Commissioner (formerly Timeless) might be stiffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted October 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2021 It wasn’t meant to be any sort of repeatable test, more of a “holy shit, even supposedly stiff sb boards are pretty soft” thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordmetroland Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 21 hours ago, Neil Gendzwill said: It wasn’t meant to be any sort of repeatable test, more of a “holy shit, even supposedly stiff sb boards are pretty soft” thing. Yegads, man, this isn't Reddit or Snowboarding Forum; this is the Royal Academy. Bring some rigor and repeatability to the show next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 9:42 AM, Jack M said: I would hazard a guess that the Ride Commissioner (formerly Timeless) might be stiffer. Dug up a review from Angry Snowboarder and he described the flex on it as a bit stiffer than a medium free ride flex, similar to how he described the Flagship. Apparently it has been softened up from the Timeless quite a bit. I was a bit surprised to find that if you get the 165 it's a 12m sidecut, which is super long for a commonly available soft boot board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west carven Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) howdy I believe the older flagships was a tad bit stiffer … but how does those three boards ride? ... Edited October 21, 2021 by west carven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 My 3 boards? About what you’d expect. The Nirvana needs more room than the AMT, doesn’t turn as tight and needs more input from me to turn but has stronger edge hold and is more stable at speed. The Flagship I only got a couple days on but it is a lot of fun, first soft boot board I’ve had since the 80s. Still working out the kinks for carving, with the tighter radius and softer flex I have to be careful or it washes out. It’s good at speed and fun in bumps and the soft stuff. Riding in white out conditions I find it way easier to stay right side up in soft boots as it’s easier to adjust to unexpected inputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Hey Neil, do you still have the Tanker? Why not try that with softies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Maybe some day I'll try it with softies but I think for now the Flagship will do fine. I'm already hauling 3 boards along on a trip, don't need a 4th. Right now it's hanging decoratively in my shop along with a few other older boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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