TJR Posted February 26, 2021 Report Share Posted February 26, 2021 I know there aren't many hardboot companies, but recommendations for wider feet? Also, does anyone use AT/Backcountry boots for alpine riding. I run TD3 SW- AT boot fit in this binding? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted February 26, 2021 Report Share Posted February 26, 2021 If the width is in the forefoot the UPZs are the widest hardboot. I'll report in a couple of weeks how the S5 compare. As far as AT boots go Phantom now sells a completely tweeked out Atomic Backlands, the Phantom slipper. As I understand, and you should do the homework to confirm, the entire boot (shell and liner) can be fitted. Yes the shell can be tossed in an oven (242f if I remember correctly) and fitted. https://www.phantomsnow.com/collections/boots/products/phantom-slipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJR Posted February 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2021 Current boot I own and love Softer flexing, lower cuff height, UPZ doesn’t make this boot any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkaholic Posted February 26, 2021 Report Share Posted February 26, 2021 If my recollection is correct, the phantom boot is designed to be an AT soft boot, not a hard boot. Their bindings are designed to mimick riding in softies along with their boot. ink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted February 26, 2021 Report Share Posted February 26, 2021 47 minutes ago, inkaholic said: If my recollection is correct, the phantom boot is designed to be an AT soft boot, not a hard boot. Their bindings are designed to mimick riding in softies along with their boot. ink He is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.E Posted February 26, 2021 Report Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) I'd also be supprised is Backalnds were an easy fit with wide feet. I have very narrow feet and was supprised at how they seemed pretty decent on me. That class of lighter touring boot is good for all mountain riding, but not beefy enough for my tasted on a race style snowboard. Most of the 4 buckle AT boots with DIN style ledges (so not Tech/ Dynafit only) will work with most bail bindings. I'd tend to go for something in the 120 or less flex number range as they are typically already pretty laterally stiff compaired to alpine SB boots. On the plus side, there are quite a few different fits from the major players. Edited February 26, 2021 by Mr.E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokolikrat Posted February 26, 2021 Report Share Posted February 26, 2021 Almost same question somebody ask last week. I was riding Dynafit and Scarpa AT boots for years. They were much better for me than any UPZ model. And I don’t even talk about weight. So light compare those UPZ leg stones. And of course much better and safer for climbing if you do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted February 26, 2021 Report Share Posted February 26, 2021 Find a good bootfitter and let them fix the width. It's true that UPZ start out with a wider forefoot than Deeluxe, but it's NOT true that unmodified UPZ will work out of the box for truly wide feet, so you're going to need a fitter anyway. Pick the boot whose features and flex suit your style of riding and let the fitter do their job. My feet are 11.5EEEE (my right foot is even wider) and I bought Deeluxe 425Pros because the stiffness suits my style and weight, they work well with my preferred Intuition Dreamliners, the ankle pocket is about right, and they accept Fintec heels. The size 27 start at 98mm width but the fitter blew/ground them out to107/ 108, which is wide enough for anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygere Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 I’ll second the recommendation for finding a really good boot fitter and getting your boots adjusted to fit. I have wide size 10s, and was able to get my Deeluxes adjusted to a great fit. New intuition liners were part of the package, along with high quality cork foot beds. I never knew I could have comfort and control. Note that it may take more than one adjustment to the shell to get it just right, find someone with a good rep willing to work with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Dahl Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 I use Scarpa Spirit3 boots at this time, just switched from Dynafit TLT4 boots. One key to flex modification is the liner style you use. A tongue style liner will flex softer front to back as compared to a wrap style liner, and it can be quite different. I just swapped out mine and it suprised me. With wide feet you need to find a good boot fitter. Heat molded liners, top quality foot beds all factor into this. If boot weight is not a factor, I would tend towards a Snowboard specific hardboot, because tuning forward flex is more predictable. My $.02 FOR WHAT ITS WORTH... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted March 11, 2021 Report Share Posted March 11, 2021 Since my reply to this topic I've written a review of the S5s linked below. They are by far the widest snowboard specific hardboot I've ever come across out of the box. With the tongue and spring choices they can be as soft as you can imagine. The largest shell is 28.5 I've also done the home Memory Fit bootfitting of my Backlands. Super easy (242F in oven for ~5-7 min, search YouTube for videos) and it turned out great. I have very wide feet and the Backlands now fit nicely... with the Phantom link levers they do feel like a hybrid softboot/hardboot. I wish the Backlands tongue was firmer and the front cuff was higher but I'm not a softer flex fan. This is a boot that I would use in western snow... not so much in the hard snow of the east. All the previous commenters are spot-on with their bootfitter recommendations. I DIY because there are no bootfitters anywhere around me... if there was I'd make an appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hknz Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 Backland has a "stiffer" tongue. https://shop.atomic.com/en/products/backland-hard-tongue-26-27-ae0000812.html My wife use backland as well, with no tongue. She is just 45kg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, hknz said: Backland has a "stiffer" tongue. https://shop.atomic.com/en/products/backland-hard-tongue-26-27-ae0000812.html My wife use backland as well, with no tongue. She is just 45kg. Yes I have that tongue... Stiffer than that. Like two of them stacked on top of each other... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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