1xsculler Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 Since UPZ boots position your feet with the heel higher than Deeluxe boots do how do you get 6° of front boot toe lift when using TD bindings and UPZ boots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 with this, a 6° cant disc https://bomberonline.3dcartstores.com/TD2-and-TD3-Cant-Disk_p_53.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 So a TD 6° cant lift results in very different lifts whether wearing Deeluxe or UPZ boots as the heel lift built into a UPZ boot is quite a bit more than in a Deeluxe boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjnakata Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 40 minutes ago, bigwavedave said: with this, a 6° cant disc https://bomberonline.3dcartstores.com/TD2-and-TD3-Cant-Disk_p_53.html this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) You may get a 9 deg at the @Shred Gruumer Jacked Up Emporium Edited January 12, 2021 by Lurch Linkage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 48 minutes ago, 1xsculler said: So a TD 6° cant lift results in very different lifts whether wearing Deeluxe or UPZ boots as the heel lift built into a UPZ boot is quite a bit more than in a Deeluxe boot. I used 6° toe lift on the front foot, and 3° heel lift rear with my UPZ's. I think it was just the opposite with the Deeluxe. I generally use no inward or outward cant at higher binding angles, but that's just me. It's a good place to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carvin' Marvin Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 You just discovered a limitation of the TD bindings. The rest of us just draft up something quick in CAD and get our CNC milling machines to make whatever parts we need. Just fire up your mill and go to town! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 And I run a longer than common stance and UPZs, and so need a little more lift. Have played with 9 degrees front and rear, made by wedging the toe and heel blocks on my TD3s. Angles around 60 degrees and no canting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 I haven’t checked this with my digital level since I had Deeluxe boots for comparison several years ago but if I remember correctly a 6° front lift with Deeluxe boots in TD bindings results in about a 3° toe lift whereas same binding and same lift disc results in about a 1° toe lift with UPZ boots. I expect someone who has done this more recently or who recorded their findings can correct me on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 I just checked the angle of the interior soles on my UPZ boots in my F2 bindings in which I have built a 6° toe lift. I measured a 4.5° heel lift and that is why my front leg is bent when standing still centered over my bindings and also why my front quad gives out so soon, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 So preload your front boot cuff as far back as possible, and that will help straighten up your front leg, even with your foot sloping slightly down. The UPZ has 4 holes in the steel plate below the spring system that the cuff lock/unlock pin can engage in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted January 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 I removed the stock heel hardware on my UPZs and replaced with a spring system the name of which I don’t recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRAZZ Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 14 hours ago, Carvin' Marvin said: You just discovered a limitation of the TD bindings. The rest of us just draft up something quick in CAD and get our CNC milling machines to make whatever parts we need. Just fire up your mill and go to town! Yup... Pretty much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/12/2021 at 3:57 PM, 1xsculler said: I removed the stock heel hardware on my UPZs and replaced with a spring system the name of which I don’t recall. Can we see a pic of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted January 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Jack M said: Can we see a pic of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 They look similar to the compact DGSS (maybe ACSS?) spring replacements, but they are different from the ones I had, which also attached to the boot at the top, in that hole. Maybe they are homemade? where did you get them? Come with the boots? Looks like you have a lot outward cant boot cuff on the left. Is that on purpose? You should check the ankle pivot cants, maybe start from a neutral setting. When you "carpet carve", put your feet in the boots (without liners) and see if your legs are equidistant from the sides of the cuffs. You can use the boot cant discs or the binding cant discs to balance things. Also, make sure you use threadlock (the blue stuff) on all screws on those boots as they will come loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1xsculler Posted January 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, bigwavedave said: They look similar to the compact DGSS (maybe ACSS?) spring replacements, but they are different from the ones I had, which also attached to the boot at the top, in that hole. Maybe they are homemade? where did you get them? Come with the boots? Looks like you have a lot outward cant boot cuff on the left. Is that on purpose? You should check the ankle pivot cants, maybe start from a neutral setting. When you "carpet carve", put your feet in the boots (without liners) and see if your legs are equidistant from the sides of the cuffs. You can use the boot cant discs or the binding cant discs to balance things. Also, make sure you use threadlock (the blue stuff) on all screws on those boots as they will come loose. Can’t remember where I bought them. Thanks for pointing out cuff cant. I had forgotten about that. From 6°, I added 3° toe lift, measured across the F2 binding, to my front foot which puts me close to flat at foot. This relieved a lot of constant tension on my front quad. I’m embarrassed to say that I am having my best carving day since 2005 as I am on a perfectly groomed beginner’s run at Jackson with my 11 year old grandson who is about 3 days into shredding. I’m going to try to get him to link turns switch as well as regular. I should stay here and do 50 runs trying to lay it down lower and lower. This makes me concerned about the steeper terrain at MCC but it will be my last ditch attempt to go from a 4 to a 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 Found a picture of ACSS. That's what you have. I don't see how you can adjust forward lean with those. I believe you can with the DGSS. Why don't you have them installed on both boots? Carving on easy runs is fun. I can do it all day, but it's more work to get real low without speed. Easier to get low on steep runs because, if you're carving right, the snow will come to you. Turner has some gentle terrain. Typical of blues anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted January 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 Good to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted January 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 Where can I buy the DGSS spring setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwavedave Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, 1xsculler said: Where can I buy the DGSS spring setup? @DRUPI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aracan Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 I run the DGSS, and I dimly recall the ACSS (which we tried once when the wife still thought Head was the right shell shape). I believe they are rather similiar, function-wise, only the DGSS installs on UPZ boots without any additional drilling, while the ACSS is for Head boots and requires drilling at the bottom, while not using the top hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimW Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Can't you just remove or cut the lower spring if you want the boot more upright with the ACSS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 1:17 PM, 1xsculler said: This makes me concerned about the steeper terrain at MCC but it will be my last ditch attempt to go from a 4 to a 6. Don't worry about MCC the parking lot and lodge floor aren't steep ! Don't be in a hurry to attack the hill just scout it out and get comfortable. If you can unload at the half way point for first few warm up runs it won't be as intimidating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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