nick8228 Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Hi all, coming from a smaller than normal board (153) with flat binding that I ran 57/57 on and now on a 162 kessler. I'm 5'9. did a 55/55 3 degree toe lift front and 6 degree heel lift on td2 bindings with normal centered set stance. I set it up today and thought It would feel better and took and run and felt that I was so far forward to the point where I normally get forward aggressive to make turns that I would have no control of tail of board. What can I do to improve this?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.E Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) You can try shifting the bindings back a touch. Many folks find that with additional cant they end up widening the stance a touch. If both the board and the binding set up are both new, try riding it flat so you are dealing with one variable at a time. Bring a wrench to the hill. Try one adjustment at a time to see if it's a change you like, and maybe give it more that one run unless it has a drastic negative feel. Edited December 30, 2020 by Mr.E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 What made you add the toe/heel lifts if you were happy with flat before? Have you increased the stance length? As said above, try flat first. Or, if you definitely want lifts and feel too far forward, try swapping them around. Or 3/3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8228 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I bought them from someone for my new board and he told me how he ran them which was almost exactly that setup im on except some inward can't. Figured it might improve riding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I'd increase the stance length a bit, from your flat one, and do just pure toe/heel lift, no inward can't (assuming we are talking about TD2/3 bindings). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8228 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Ok, yes we are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8228 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 37 minutes ago, BlueB said: I'd increase the stance length a bit, from your flat one, and do just pure toe/heel lift, no inward can't (assuming we are talking about TD2/3 bindings). So increase stance width not setback? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.E Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Two seperate things. Increasing your width is to balance lift/ cant. Increasing set back changes how you engage the camber/ effective edge. You should try both (independently). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carvin' Marvin Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Start here http://beckmannag.com/hardboot-snowboarding/hardboot-binding-configuration You'll probably want to acquire a 0 and another 3 degree canting disc for those TD2s. They are the same on TD3 so you can buy them new or find some used on here. Welcome to the long road of binding set up. Everyone's legs and ankles are unique so there is no basic setup that will work for all of us. Beckman has devised a pretty solid method of getting you set up where you need to be in a step-wise fashion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) I'm assuming you didn't change the position of your boot cuffs with the new binding setup. If you did and didn't mention it, reduce the forward lean on your front boot cuff to help you get your centre of mass between the bindings. Edited December 30, 2020 by SunSurfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8228 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I have upz boots with spring system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carvin' Marvin Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 6 Degrees of heel lift is A LOT generally for UPZ due to the higher internal ramp the boots have. I would start by trading the 3 degree disc to the rear and the 6 degree to the front, only lift no cant. If that doesn't work then maybe try to track down other cant discs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Great advice above! Definitely try swapping the 6 & 3 cants first. UPZ boots have a steep ramp; even with a 6-degree toe lift your heels are still higher than your toes. Spend time carpet surfing. It's not the final say but if you can't stand comfortably for 5 minutes in your living room, it won't get better on the hill. Pay attention to pressure on your calves/shin - adjust away from pressure. i.e. Pressure on your calf? Decrease forward lean. Pressure on the left side of your leg? Tilt to the left through the boot cuff or by changing the cant angle. Listen to your body. Look at the red/irritated spots on your legs and feet as soon as you take your boots off if it's not obvious. I'm a freak that likes 6 & 6 toe/heel lifts with UPZ boots. Some people will tell you that you need the bindings flat. Take all the suggestions and experiment to find what works for you. I played with my bindings for years before I zeroed in on my current setup. Big changes at first, then subtle refinements. Have fun out there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8228 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Thank you for the advice Corey and Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Carpet carving isn't riding the roof of your friends van for fun. It has a purpose and has a very good return on investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick8228 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Would you suggest a 3/3 toe heel lift rather? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carvin' Marvin Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Try everything you have time for/can afford. You will often receive good guidance on here, but you will rarely find a cut and dry answer that will fir your needs perfectly. Carving gear is so stiff and human anatomy varies a lot so its really going to come down to trial and error. Like others said, be mindful of your boot cuffs. UPZs also have a cuff canting feature at the cuff pivot points as well as the forward lean adjuster. Like Corey, it took me years to get my setup completely dialed in. Now its so perfect its not even something I have to think about anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.free Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I agree with Corey, start with 0/0, then if anything wrong, add front toe lift and only after rear heel lift. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Carvin' Marvin said: 6 Degrees of heel lift is A LOT generally for UPZ due to the higher internal ramp the boots have. I would start by trading the 3 degree disc to the rear and the 6 degree to the front, only lift no cant. If that doesn't work then maybe try to track down other cant discs. I'd also try this with UPZs. And carpet carving thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunSurfer Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, nick8228 said: I have upz boots with spring system Are the UPZ boots new to you as well, or did you ride the old board with them? If new, then the relatively steep slope of the UPZ footbed would explain much of your original problem. The spring system adjusts the fore and back flex when riding. The starting position of the cuff can also be varied and locked in one of 3 or 4 positions. Getting your front lower leg more upright will add to the effect of any front toe lift from the binding. If the boots are new to you, going through the process of adjusting your cuff canting, that is the side to side slope will be worthwhile. Look on YouTube, the process is essentially the same as for a ski boot. Can't remember if Beckmann's guide to gear setup referenced above has a section on cuff cant adjustment. Edited December 30, 2020 by SunSurfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckmann AG Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, SunSurfer said: Can't remember if Beckmann's guide to gear setup referenced above has a section on cuff cant adjustment. Step # 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 On 12/30/2020 at 7:38 AM, nick8228 said: Would you suggest a 3/3 toe heel lift rather? UPZ boots have such a high heel that I would recommend putting your 6 degree disk under the front foot for toe lift, and 3 degree disk under the back foot for heel lift. Personally I can't think of anyone I've ever met who tried toe and heel lift and went back to 0/0. It's just awkward IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shred Gruumer Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Jack M said: 6 degree disk under the front foot for toe lift, and 3 degree disk under the back foot for heel lift Pot must be legal in Maine now... Bahahaaa..lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowrider Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 Shred's first lesson over the phone to me years back was toe and heel lift. And pot is now legal in Ontario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tddragon Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) I had knee pain with 0/0. Had 3/3 now also with td3 bindings and upz boots - and feels great. Went with stance length that's based on measuring from floor to center of knee cap and that's been perfect. Tried shorter and longer and hated it Oh also tried 45/45 binding angles and felt twisted during turn initiation. Changed to 60/55 and felt much better. Ymmv:) Edited January 1, 2021 by Tddragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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