Corey Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 I'm putting bindings on a new-to-me Dupraz. If I center the stance on the inserts, there is surprisingly little effective edge/sidecut in front of the front binding: 4" ahead the front toe, 9.5" behind the rear heel. Granted, there's a big volume of nose out there for powder, but I'm wondering if I should offset the stance rearward on the inserts so I don't go over the nose on firmer snow. What do you do on your D1+? My info: 20" stance, 45 F, 30 R, F2 bindings, UPZ hardboots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Center the stance on the inserts. That's how the boards is designed to be ridden. Keep your weight on both legs and do NOT load the nose while initiating the the turns. I've had the 6++ with F2 Race Bindings and UPZ hardboots. Stable, fast, playfull - that thing carves like crazy on groomers. //wolfgang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g.snowboarder Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 I totally agree with wulf, you should try to center the stance. I ride both my 5.5 x-light an 6+ that way and it working for me. Equal weight on both legs also help. I ride 22'' 30F and 0 or+5R on soft boots most of the times. If you have the chance try the D1 6+ it's the original shape, size and sidecut it's mind blowing. Hope it help. Have fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 From my first runs on hardpack only, uhh, I hope this Dupraz is awesome in powder! It carves about 5% as well as any carving board I have. It'll do it, but it's not it's strength. I wasn't expecting much, but was pretty surprised how much out of its element it felt on groom. I don't get some of the comments about it being an awesome carver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 31 minutes ago, Corey said: From my first runs on hardpack only, uhh, I hope this Dupraz is awesome in powder! It carves about 5% as well as any carving board I have. It'll do it, but it's not it's strength. I wasn't expecting much, but was pretty surprised how much out of its element it felt on groom. I don't get some of the comments about it being an awesome carver. That was my impression of its groomer carving ability. Some people love it though. I wasn't that impressed with the Dupraz in powder either. Maybe they are lighter now, but I found it heavy and on the sluggish side. I have had a lot of powder boards. At the time I much preferred my 166 Prior Spearhead in powder. Interestingly, the 166 Spearhead and the 6' (178) Dupraz were quite similar in surface area. The Dupraz just had a longer (unnecessarily so) pointy nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buell said: At the time I much preferred my 166 Prior Spearhead in powder. Interestingly, the 166 Spearhead and the 6' (178) Dupraz were quite similar in surface area. I reckon geometry has a bigger impact on powder performance than surface area than most give credit for. The 21.5cm wide Donek Nomad 164 is by far the easiest floating board I've ever tried. As in I ride it centered, no extra weight on back foot, on the middle inserts and I've never seen the nose even close to dipping. Used it in waist deep at Nori Kura last season. Not the best carver, but it isn't meant to be. Edited December 31, 2018 by daveo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 9 hours ago, daveo said: I reckon geometry has a bigger impact on powder performance than surface area than most give credit for. The 21.5cm wide Donek Nomad 164 is by far the easiest floating board I've ever tried. As in I ride it centered, no extra weight on back foot, on the middle inserts and I've never seen the nose even close to dipping. Used it in waist deep at Nori Kura last season. Not the best carver, but it isn't meant to be. I have found that they are both important. Ideally they work together. Too small of a board can have the perfect geometry and still not float (except at very high speed) and a large surface area board with too much camber and/or too stiff of a tail will still drive the nose under the powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Buell said: Too small of a board can have the perfect geometry and still not float (except at very high speed) and a large surface area board with too much camber and/or too stiff of a tail will still drive the nose under the powder. Interesting. I would say the Nomad has a stiff tail and has low surface area given that it is pretty narrow. I wonder what makes it float then. I would go as far to say it is unsinkable. Literally unsinkable. I remember Sean in an email said something like waist width doesn't affect how the board (Nomad) will seek the surface. Edited December 31, 2018 by daveo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poloturbo Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 The Dupraz is great in powder and chop afterwards. Tried it in a 45cm dump and nobody could even follow. Literally guy's were asking what I was riding. Not a carver. Even the slightest weight shift would get out of the carve. Just use it after a big snowstorm. Great In trees also as it's pivoting quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, daveo said: I Interesting. I would say the Nomad has a stiff tail and has low surface area giveth that it is pretty narrow. I wonder what makes it float then. I would go as far to say it is literally unsinkable. I remember Sean in an email said something like waist width doesn't affect how the board (Nomad) will seek the surface. Tons of taper lets the tail sink. 28 mm according to the stock specs. I agree that waist width would not affect how the board seeks the surface, but for a given length with all other specs proportional, waist width (overall width) would certainly affect at what speeds the board would want to stay on the surface. Wider board = float at lower speeds. When I ride resort powder, I am currently riding a 156 x 267 waist rockered board that has 10mm of taper. My resort is small and it works really well. It would not be my choice for bigger terrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) @corey: My experience with a similar setup on a 6++ was different. Floats like a bee in powder and carves exceptionally well on hardpack even in the afternoon when the piste is a mess. I was using a centered stance which is 58cm on a 6 and 54cm on a 5.5. Can't imagine that the shorter version is so much different as the basic design principles are the same. Interesting that you come to a totally different conclusion on the board Edited December 31, 2018 by wulf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted December 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, wulf said: Interesting that your come to a totally different conclusion on the board Indeed, it's interesting how different riders just connect, or not, with different boards. Maybe this 5'5" D1+ is too small/soft for me at 5'11" and ~190 lbs? The lack of edge ahead of the front foot is a weird feeling, especially when getting off the lift. It was happy to skid and slave around. I think it'll be a blast in powder and chop. I ran TD3 Sidewinders with soft e-pads all around, plus TD2 lowers for less weight. I was plenty pleased how much lighter it was than my usual boards. Need to work on custom cant wedges before the F2s will work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) I rode a 6’ D1++ for a couple of seasons about 10 years ago. I liked it a lot better carving on groomers than in powder, and hated it in trees. It was designed to be ridden in a neutral position at all times, with weight evenly distributed on both feet, no matter the conditions. And reference stance is set forward on the effective edge, as part of the concept. All this info used to be on their website, don’t know if it still is. Edited December 31, 2018 by Mig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulf Posted December 31, 2018 Report Share Posted December 31, 2018 Dupraz states that the ++ versions are for alpine HB riders with plate bindings. I am 1,85m and 83kg and the ++ version was just right for carving. However don't think that the + version is a noodle. I used to ride SL-ish boards around 1,60cm all my time, so it was just a matter of a few turns til I got used to the board and eliminated the ususal fore/after shifting. Worked for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidEarth808 Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 Hi Corey How do you like your coffee? My first thought when I saw your original post without knowing anything about you (other than you are here) was that you need a 6'++ at least It will feel like the shortest back 1/2 of a board you have ever ridden at first (as you may have already experienced) until you start floating I wanted to pick up a Dupraz since Serge started that Company When I finally had Internet in my world when I moved back to Winter full-time recently, I "discovered" I could order from Dupraz directly Easy transaction, but you need to understand the business model which is quite unique (perhaps a topic itself) Seb recommends to anyone that rides hardboots to go 6'++ (at least ++) The Dupraz is a snow surfboard Ride the board Surf it Float it Forget everything you thought you ever knew about snowboarding on edge and re-frame You just stepped through the portal I would never take D1 out on a hard day (other than to test it's limits/design/performance/characteristics etc) My first impression was that there was no board in front of my front foot Very difficult to stand motionless and balance on edge on hard snow on steeper slope Scary in lift line maze dished out frozen spring-time shite (antics) I got some practice hopping on my heelside edge washing out on ice, feeling for that edge in front of my foot out there somewhere (it wasn't)... Difficult to ride with front foot only on hard surface (edge)... First impression on a shitty day with 8" on frozen shite? Absolutely mind blowing...I wanted a 7'0" ++ no stiffer than my Supermodels, minimum requirement... + not much softer, just barely perceptible less "lively" and easier to over-power the nose It's about the flex pattern/profile more than "stiffness" Stiffness rating not overlapping a carve oriented board range (what do you think?) D1 is not a stiff board even at ++ I have an X-Light which is supposed to be "stiffer" than ++, more "lively", but that is not what riding this board is about really Haven't had a chance to ride the 6'3" yet (which is 5" longer than the 6', a class wider and "stiffer") and imagine it will go anywhere I need it too, even the tightest trees... Amazing maneuverability at any speed on soft snow It's all about "The Float" Lordmetroland picked up a 6'3" somewhere last year I believe after giving up on the wait due to the "problem" in France I waited more than a year... On any sort of soft snow day my #1 go to board is D1, which is 97% of my riding Bottomless is relative Planing on water is not penetrating very deep and is less as speed increases As long as you stay off the reef I try not to bleed before I get in the water As SoftbootSurfer often talks about The Wave...board choice for the spot is certainly a factor... My home wave selection is perhaps better suited for the D1 on any given day than most places My knees don't like the hard snow, I can barely walk in the summer, I am not planning knee replacements I save myself for Epicness (or at least any day considered soft) Some of those wind buff days are the most memorable when each run is better than the one before it I don't like D1 in heavy thick skied out crud harbor chop It doesn't bust through piles, it gets deflected over them That's the float part Anything soft and smooth, plan accordingly, aim wisely... Can be awesome on un-skiable breakable crust or wind slab funk Ride the Dupraz in it's own way Take a different line than a full camber board and turn in new places in ways you have yet to imagine possible Think Tom Curren mind-surfing Forget about momentum and powering through stuff I ride over a much wider range of speeds on D1 and have more fun per vertical foot, not just full-on max all the time due to board design/demands Amazing at relatively slow speeds and crazy combos at random times anytime all the time At your traditional max apex of the locked-in carve you can now throw in a tail slide or floater and go right back to that last point to continue your arc and G's, or a complete total change of trajectory into something else entirely that you have never even thought possible both ways. Tweaky AND Fakey... It doesn't build up energy really and launch you into the next turn (sort of), yet still has enough of a tail to work and pump There is a fine line of over powering the nose or it will "collapse" or "buckle" (not damaging board) I felt like I could initiate a turn at anytime as soon as I started to move on any pitch, as opposed to gaining momentum before I start powering out some big full camber turns I can grab a tree branch standing still and spin a 360 My other boards I would need to jump a 180 I am not a jibber...or a bonker... Ride the board Feel it Float it Imagine standing on a surfboard (a short-board not a 10 foot nose-rider) When you are surfing a short board the board in front of your front foot is not on the surface (base) or rail (edge) much Imagine surfing between your feet and back foot power and engagement (you have fins) The Bongo Board Kelly Slater riding the foam ball (a sight unseen) then powering a cutback back to a floater re-entry bottom turn back into the barrel, back on the foam ball... Repeat The D1 can get you wherever you need to go to get to the goods and back I would not take it to steep icy couloirs (or any other steep hard place) where I want full camber full edge contact as my life depends on it... Why Buell prefers the Amplid Split for the Great Unknown (which I am considering, it just seems too short at 168) I describe the D1 carve as more of a Pit Bull than a Greyhound (I couldn't stop laughing) On a soft groomer it kills it in it's own way It is a Happy board, not an Angryy board Ride the board, not your expectations or preconceptions (or muscle memory and technique) Free your mind Gerry Lopez yoga in Pow at 100 MPH... Zen Master in The Zone Use shaper's stance center reference, no offset either way I run PHKs on my Dupraz with CANT ON FRONT FOOT ONLY (comments anyone?) Never had confidence in the Burton Race Plates not to break based on the historical progression experience, but want my feet closer to deck as much as I love my Cateks... I think flex of F2 would be beneficial Soften up your boots for the day if possible I ride super soft AT boots in walk mode, about a 75 on the imaginary boot stiffness chart (zero heel hold slop at the moment) I skied old school Langes 120/130 ( a size too small) when I had to ski and my feet are phuct It feels like I can barely traverse on skis in my AT boots that I board in I remove the cuff and power strap I buckle one click tighter for carve board days Warmth and comfort #1 priority for fun Decades ago I read about parallel feet and have done so ever since (Beckmann have any input on parallel feet?) Stance similar to you about 20"-21" just wider than my shoulders (5'10" 180lbs 9.5 shoe), longer boards force me wider... Angle dictated by board width/zero overhang Try a 6'++ if can...on the right wave...where you can find it... For me D1 is da Shizzit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 hours ago, LiquidEarth808 said: For me D1 is da Shizzit Did you mean... Tha Shiznit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 1, 2019 Report Share Posted January 1, 2019 Holly! That was a long post... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calle Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 I have a ++ model, Like it in powder but the lack of edge in the nose makes me fall on my ass going of the lift and it behaves somewhat nervous when carving it. My old F2 eliminator and Tanker carves much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidEarth808 Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 9:27 PM, daveo said: Did you mean... Tha Shiznit? Da Shizzit Brokencyde Spoof-hop Rap-crap ridiculousness, kinda funny though...once is more than enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveo Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, LiquidEarth808 said: Da Shizzit Brokencyde Spoof-hop Rap-crap ridiculousness, kinda funny though...once is more than enough (I know... ) Edited January 2, 2019 by daveo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 I had the first D1 model (only one flex and one color/red) and I rode it both in hardboots/AT boots and in softboots. Mi setting was: HARDBOOTS: Stance 49-50 cm (I am 175 cm); angles 25°/40°; old F2 carve rs bindings; no cant/lift (I ride always flat); setback 0/1 cm. SOFTBOOTS: Stance 54-55 cm; angles -3°/+24°; Burton C60 bindings; Burton Ruler boots; setback 0/1 cm The board is a bit wide and I preferred it in softboots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sintered Man Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Keep this thread going!!! I just bought the 6'3 off Bola!! Will be riding by it with F2 Intec RS bindings and UPZ ATB's. Can't wait. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sintered Man Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Crap, I killed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 On 1/10/2019 at 9:58 AM, Sintered Man said: Crap, I killed it. I hope not "killed it" like in broke it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted January 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 I think he means killed the thread. I'll next have my Dupraz out if/when I encounter deep powder. Looks nice in my basement for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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