andiss Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 found one - new for 200€ from a shop in Germany Good deal or leave it as it's terrible board? Yes I'm the guy who is a newbie at the hardboot carving but buying gear in offseason usually means a good deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 That's a lot of board for a newbie. I would let someone else have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 i have one of those, it's a great carving board but also not a beginners board. 13m isnt huge but at your weight you'd need a good bit of speed to make it turn promptly, and knowledge of whats going to happen at the end of the turn. mine wants to go uphill and when you aren't expecting that it's quite a surprise. i can sell you an older 168. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andiss Posted July 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I used to have an old nitro Diablo 182cm but I take its nothing like it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I used to have an old nitro Diablo 182cm but I take its nothing like it? Not even close. The Diablo was a free-riding big mountain board IIRC, the Volkl is a stiff race board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex1230 Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Is it a good deal? Depends on the year...older NOS RTs go for as low as $150, so maybe good, maybe not way too much board for a new carver, you really don't want to be learning on something that's going to kick your ass all day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Photo? They made alpine boards for quite a few years with major variations. Off hand, too much board. Simply stated. Shorter, softer, tighter radius for a new alpine rider build confidence. Long, stiff , large radius boards tend to scare the bejesus out of folks :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 If its a newish board, like 2-3 years sure thats a good deal. Otherwise forget it. Better stuff on ebay.de. I wouldnt go anywhere near a 183 board as a beginner. Start with a too short GS board. In our group we recommend going two sizes down. So from 183 go to a very low 170 or high 160. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 I used to have an old nitro Diablo 182cm but I take its nothing like it? PS, that is a great board! I loved mine to death!! Big , Stiff and great Celtic graphics. Great vintage longboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andiss Posted July 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 Thanks for all tips. I have a 160cm factory prime already. 80$ for board, binding and boots on eBay. New unused - but I'm still looking around a bit. (Just in case) The Diablo was class - I was like 18 and 70kg when I got it. Used to do flatland carving 360s at my local hill. Ridiculous looking board as it was twin tip - effective edge probably only something like 140cm so massive noose and tail. Swollowed everything in its way and it was fast! I'll stay away from that völkl. Here's the link to it http://www.snowshop.de/Voelkl-Racetiger-GS-183-Snowboard_1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted July 17, 2015 Report Share Posted July 17, 2015 That is one of the newer boards. So, that is a good thing as far as value goes. Certainly not as stiff as many other 183cm race boards. Still probably something that should be considered after more time on the slopes with shorter boards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Yea, thats a good deal actually. If you've got money to burn and willing to have that board wait in the closet for a couple of years than grab it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmatic Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) This is a made-in-China Völkl raceboard! Völkl snowboards made in China became unsaleable on the Alps. Völkl snowboards disappeared totaly from shelf of core snowboard shops. Völkl took back production from China to Bavaria (Straubing) of many skis, as they realized customers like to buy only true skis and good quality skis. I recommend: Look-up for older MADE IN GERMANY Völkl raceboards. Outline of "newer" and "after-CAP" Renntiger / Racetiger shape didn't change since they are orginaly introduced to market out of Straubing (no shape modification over one decade). Orginaly, I mean right shape on right flex pattern, like the shaper want it. Not any flex because of any wood like Chineese did laminate them. And even without any delimination of Titanal stringers as well known from Völkl Selecta snowboards. Edited July 20, 2015 by snowmatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andiss Posted July 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Thanks for the response - I guess that explains why the original price was only like 500ish and why it's still unsold - I saw the board in April for the same price. While a f2 silverpiel test board with a 75% discount went in a week or so. Sounds like saving the money and use it for a trip is more well spent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.a Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Looking back, I wish I used 70% of what I spent on boards and equipment on lessons. Not just general riding time, but actual lessons and stuff like carving camps and carving sessions. Not that many to choose from but look into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andiss Posted July 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Agree - its way easier to buy new stuff than to get better technique - I can specially relate to that with my surfing - what really helped me to get better was a few days with a trainer in portugal a few years back - I've gone thru +30 boards and i would basically order the same dimensions. If you apply the right technique - you can surf any board really as per video below ( well if the gear isn't absolute crap and completely wrong) Heading to Davos in December so will check if there is any local coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nils Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Love the foam plank surfing...i remember a pic in a 1988 or 89 surfer of a barbados local or sri lanka local surfing on a door! Surfing is at crossroads of many new ways of riding and inventing new stuff ( hybrids, spoons, finless , mackie swallows etc..) and snowboard developpement is stalling....meaning at a point we shall see it disappear as it is I guess..split boards, wide carvers, fun boards..as we said in the EC manifesto back in 2002, too specialized equipement almost killed alpine...has not changed if you look at carving equipement today ( complex plates, boards, interface etc).. Surfing had the same issue in the early 90's with ultra thin ultra narrow boards that were aimed at good/pro level...then came the hybrids that saved the business, and surfboards dimensions evolved back to safety zone ( I remember seeing a KSlater board for sale in a surfshop in Hossegor in '90, it was so thin you could see your hands distinctly through the board's foam).. As for starting carving, it will be less painfull to learn on a board not designed for racing at its time...meaning softer tips, less stiff body..since choice on second hand is not that big a shorter board in the 158-170 cm range seems fine..bigger gets dangerous ( lock in trajectory syndrome). N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andiss Posted July 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Sound - well what I have been thinking of doing is to take my "softboot" board ( a 169cm, 25cm wide with a 140cm effective edge) and put the hard boot and race plates on that one before I even move on to the factory prime. In regards to surfing - its kind of funny (and probably a result of all boards are machine shaped this days) that the emphasis on volyme in litre has exploded lately. Before it was a hit or miss if the board would float you or not, well it was pending the shaper if he knew what he was doing. Im riding 6'0"s now compared to 6'3"s a few years back but all my boards have roughly the same volume. And it seems PU is coming back again - compared to all surftech and salomon's attempt to do boards. You def need less amount of boards this days also, a one board quiver is getting more and more likely - well as long its not big or heavy slabs where you need a bit more meat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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