bigdyno Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Here is an interesting graphic that basicly reinforces that you get the shaft if you live in CA when it comes to internal combustion anything: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/gas-prices-county-usa/#more-19592 All i can say is wah. I put gas in my truck yesterday @ $1.29/L. And that's real money to those of you south of the 49th. With todays exchange it's about $4.87 and climbing. I'm just glad I don't live in YVR, they must be selling their youngest to shoe companies by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 i paid £1.34/L for diesel last week. which i think works out to US$8 / gallon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrol Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 that our government refuses to allow us to utilize OUR natural resources, in favor of sending our Billions over seas is criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 When I wrote an essay on this last year, I found out that Canadian fuel prices break down to like 35% taxes versus roughly 15% for the United States. When I did the research, Canada had 11% of the population, 12% of the number of refineries, and roughly 11% of the oil consumption of the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 When I did the research, Canada had 11% of the population, 12% of the number of refineries, and roughly 11% of the oil consumption of the United States. So, Canada consumes oil at the same rate as the US, how evil!! :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ursle Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I would gladly pay 2.50$ a gallon tax on fuel if it included health insurance, as it does in the places that are being complained about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allee Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 They're predicting the gas prices in New Zealand might hit $2.50 a litre this summer. That's what, over $9 a gallon? That gets pretty shocking when your average car has a 50 litre tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 snipped from wikipedia, the authoratative source of all information. From 4th January 2011 the UK duty rate for the road fuels unleaded petrol, diesel, biodiesel and bioethanol is GB£0.5895 per litre (£2.65 per imperial gallon or £2.20 per U.S. gallon).[4] Value Added Tax at 20% is also charged on the price of the fuel and on the duty.Using the UK average untaxed pump price for unleaded petrol of £0.4572 per litre (from the December 2010 average taxed price of £1.221 per litre,[5] the duty rate of £0.5819 per litre[4] and the then VAT rate of 17.5%) this would give a January 2011 taxed price of £1.256 per litre (£5.71 per imperial gallon or £4.75 per U.S. gallon) - that is equivalent to a tax rate of 175%. ouch. my car has a 75 litre tank.I would gladly pay 2.50$ a gallon tax on fuel if it included health insurance, as it does in the places that are being complained about...if it were that simple, our healthcare .. system .. would be so kick-ass, nobody could complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 .if it were that simple, our healthcare .. system .. would be so kick-ass, nobody could complain. Please educate us then .. how much do you pay for healthcare in Scotland -- the average working guy or gal...what is the annual cost out of your pocket? FYI - I pay about $4800 year and that is for catastrophic loss... which is a high $2500 deductible, plus I pay 30% of any claims... how does that compare in Scotland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Please educate us then .. how much do you pay for healthcare in Scotland -- the average working guy or gal...what is the annual cost out of your pocket?FYI - I pay about $4800 year and that is for catastrophic loss... which is a high $2500 deductible, plus I pay 30% of any claims... how does that compare in Scotland? for treatment at a hospital or visits to a doctors practice, nothing.prescriptions and the like are £3 per item, after april they'll be without extra cost. (scotland only) optician and dentist visits/care are subsidized, though that's a bit more complicated. as far as the quality of care goes .. well, it's good enough for government work. that's the un-kickass part i was talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 for treatment at a hospital or visits to a doctors practice, nothing.prescriptions and the like are £3 per item, after april they'll be without extra cost. (scotland only) optician and dentist visits/care are subsidized, though that's a bit more complicated. as far as the quality of care goes .. well, it's good enough for government work. that's the un-kickass part i was talking about. Ok now we are getting somewhere.. thanks.. Am I correct in assuming the fuel tax goes towards the general fund which in turn is how your healthcare system is supported? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Ok now we are getting somewhere.. thanks..Am I correct in assuming the fuel tax goes towards the general fund which in turn is how your healthcare system is supported? i believe so. i do know that there isn't a 1:1 mapping of fuel taxes going towards roads maintenance, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 i believe so. i do know that there isn't a 1:1 mapping of fuel taxes going towards roads maintenance, for example. I tried to find the split of your taxes to find that out and it was a dead end. So yes you are right about having to pay for roads and maintaining them.. Do you have road tolls where you are? in my case, I think if I did not have to pay any healthcare cost out of pocket - I could easily absorb about $10 US dollars per gallon in fuel cost here in Seattle and end up with more money in my pocket at the end of the year. ( Based on 600 -800 gallons of fuel used per year ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I tried to find the split of your taxes to find that out and it was a dead end. So yes you are right about having to pay for roads and maintaining them.. Do you have road tolls where you are?in my case, I think if I did not have to pay any healthcare cost out of pocket - I could easily absorb about $10 US dollars per gallon in fuel cost here in Seattle and end up with more money in my pocket at the end of the year. ( Based on 600 -800 gallons of fuel used per year ) i think there is one section of toll road .. a spur of the M6. somewhere in england. they have toll bridges too.as is usual in socialist and capitalist discussions, it's a tricky and frequently contentious issue. we have no choice about paying the taxes, and if a tax-paying person is of good health and fortunate lifestyle, then they never recoup the money they've paid into NHS care being available to them. add into this that people who are not working, or not putting fuel into a car, or otherwise generally sponging off the government .. they're entitled to the same 'free' healthcare. would you rather pay a huge amount of money towards healthcare you may be lucky enough never to use, or have high self-paid healthcare costs? seems a no-brainer for those of us who take part in dangerous sports and activities, but for everyone else, it's a bit fuzzier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 i think there is one section of toll road .. a spur of the M6. somewhere in england. they have toll bridges too. tax-paying person is of good health and fortunate lifestyle, then they never recoup the money they've paid into NHS care being available to them. would you rather pay a huge amount of money towards healthcare you may be lucky enough never to use, or have high self-paid healthcare costs? seems a no-brainer for those of us who take part in dangerous sports and activities, but for everyone else, it's a bit fuzzier. Good question -- up until this year when I broke my ankle... I was only taking about $200 a year out of the healthcare bucket in which I paid about $4800 a year. My solution to healthcare in the USA would be this - if you filed a valid Form 1040 - you get free healthcare. It would not matter if you had income or not - you still file... listing your valid social security number. Oh boy! that statement could make this thread explode... I better go get some popcorn for the upcoming show... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekempmeister Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 When in Germany, Denmark and Sweden last summer, I became accustomed to $120. Fill-ups that I would burn through like paper on Autobahn. Good times. I was just on theQ8 DK website and calculated the same Audi A4 wagon to take about $170 at current prices. I can't help but think that if we would inflate tires properly, tune engines, not idle so much, do away with unnecessary left turn arrow stop lights and implement graduating fuel efficiency standards, etc - we'd consume less than we'd extract from ANWAR or any other US resource. The problem is one of consumption (I am guilty), not supply. The resource is finite no matter where it's coming from so the writing is on the wall. Let's kick the can down the road! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 we'd consume less than we'd extract from ANWAR or any other US resource.The problem is one of consumption (I am guilty), not supply. The resource is finite no matter where it's coming from so the writing is on the wall. Let's kick the can down the road! you could be right Dave.. but let me offer a counterpoint... do you think if everyone in the USA were to cut their consumption in half .. do you really think the BP and ConocoPhilips of the world would keep the price at 3.50$ a gal? My guess would be no... they would still have us pay $2000-$3000 a year in gas or whatever the current average per Auto user is a year.. my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davekempmeister Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Al, historically if US fuel prices spike to the extent that consumers actually drive fewer miles, the price goes down because of the resulting glut in supply. We saw this very market force at work when gas was averaging $4/gal plus most recently (1 or 2 yrs ago?). Fuel is expensive to store and the very nature of supply and demand account for this. If consumption were lessened as a result of policy changes and systemic initiatives, with efficiency as a stated goal (instead of just a reaction to high prices), then perhaps the cartels would collude to protect the revenue streams that they have become accustomed to. I'd be more concerned about the probability of higher and higher taxation pushing US fuel prices out of the stratosphere than the market itself, under the circumstances we are talking about. The US consumes about 25% of the world's oil supply, only some of which is for petroleum, and if that were halved the resulting drop in consumption here in the States would comprise a single digit percentage of the overall picture. I just don't think that carries as much influence as some would suggest. In the context of here and now, it's political instability that is most threatening. If Saudi Arabia experiences anything like Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen or Libya has of late - OMG! All bets are off. That scenario is apocalyptic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Al, historically if US fuel prices spike to the extent that consumers actually drive fewer miles, the price goes down because of the resulting glut in supply. We saw this very market force at work when gas was averaging $4/gal plus most recently (1 or 2 yrs ago?). I'd be more concerned about the probability of higher and higher taxation pushing US fuel prices out of the stratosphere than the market itself, under the circumstances we are talking about. In the context of here and now, it's political instability that is most threatening. If Saudi Arabia experiences anything like Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen or Libya has of late - OMG! All bets are off. That scenario is apocalyptic. You are right about OMG and Saudi Arabia... The taxes you mention would be a big factor... here in Washington State we pay almost $.50 a gallon in taxes. if we were to cut our consumption in half then our state legislators would have to raise the tax to $1.00 a gallon...which gets me back to my feeling is the price of gas will elevate to what the public will pay without collapsing the local economy. People adjust quickly and still end up driving about the same amount we did when gas was $2.00. Yea, a lot of people are upset right now with gas increases in the past month… but that will pass quickly… because we all love the right to drive whenever and wherever we want, most drivers today do not really care what that right costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikel45 Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Petrol prices hit a record-breaking £6 per gallon in UK ($9.63 US) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refried Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 4.35 a gallon for regular here today. I don't think my van will get much use this year if it's going to cost over $215 to fill it (at these prices). I think we'll get real close to $6.00 a gallon here this summer. It adds up real fast when the distributor adds over a $1.00 a gallon, then the station adds 25 - 30 cents a gallon. One of my friends is building an electric VW van with parts from a 3 wheel electric car, should have at least a 100 mile range. I'm seriously thinking about building one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allee Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 I wasn't going to buy a motorcycle when I got my licence this spring. Maybe I should rethink that ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 My 60 litre tank costs £80 to fill up, or $128usd. If I drive at 70mph it uses 20% less fuel than if I drive (illegally) at 80mph. If I carry a passenger my per-person cost is obviously halved. What do you think the average speed on the M11 was this evening, and how many people were most cars carrying? I'm not sure if petrol is cheaper now in real terms than when I first pumped it for a living. I am sure it's cheaper to drive now that it was then, as today everyone has a car, where as back then that wasn't so. I guess people will always whine about it, but I'm not sure to what purpose. There's a word for assigning specific taxes to specific things: can anyone remind me what it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C5 Golfer Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 There's a word for assigning specific taxes to specific things: can anyone remind me what it is? Excise Tax?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transistor Rhythm Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 I think at the moment we pay €1.60 (cheap) - €1.70 (next to a highway) for a liter of gas in Holland. That would be about $2,24 / L or about $8,50 a gallon, am I right? And no, we don't drive any less because of it. Maybe we drive more fuel efficient cars, but not a mile less. ------- About healthcare: my father in law got a pacemaker this week that costs €20,000, excluding four hours of labour to put in. That's worth more than ten years of my insurance. It did put things in perspective for me. @C5Golfer you seem to pay double as much as I do for healtcare. How come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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