sammyjay06 Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 looking to get a new ride. i'm interested in a winterstick swallowtail or a prior pow-stick. has anyone rided these with hard boots? setup is burton fire boots (last year of production just broken in and burton physics simular to ibex bindings) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crucible Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 I ride my Winterstick Swallowtail with old Burton Race Plates, and the softest hard boots that I have- Raichle 121's. It works well. Geo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algunderfoot Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 SJ, I have been riding my 2007 176 Powstick with plates from day one. I have some older Raichle step ins on it and don't angle them too agressively, it's a blast. One note though is that I use the BTS system which offers additional benefit in Pow. One is the range of flex, and two is there ability to fine the "home" position while you're floating in the deep cold surf, I always know where the board is even though I may not feel it. The Powstick is no slouch on the groomers either, you can carve it up surprisingly well...Now I'm jones'n even more...... Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDougall Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Rossi 185 Big Gun - formerly known as the Undertaker but same board. Forget the Winterstick on the groomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Yeah, I ride the 4807 and Apo with plates. Scooby rides the Undertaker and 4807. Full contact, flexier plates work better. I've heard many people saying that Winterstick doesn't really work on groomed, but I haven't ridden one... George? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpalka Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Definitely doable. I rode my Powstick 181 with plates for a few years, had a great time. Very low angles, Deeluxe boots with softest BTS, snowpro flexy bindings. My old review is here... ...But then I tried softies and loved the feel! Now I don't think that I'd go back to riding plates in powder. Something that friends have been telling me for a long time :) tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahoetrencher Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 An undertaker that is not (maybe UT lite, I guess) +1 for plates on a tail My rossi (198 cm, thank you very much) loves raceplates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDougall Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 The picture shown in previous post is in fact the same as the 185 Undertaker.The original version was a 198cm as you said. Then Rossi shortened it and made it wider. A much better board in my opinion.Great float with less length.That is the 4th version of the 185 I have owned. Post below is the 1st version of the 185 Undertaker. A couple years back when Rossi signed up Jeremy Jones they renamed it the Big Gun but the board remained the same. At the same time they renamed The Judge(not a true swallow - more like the dynastar 4807) the Half Gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Dahl Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 Nitro 178 pow, Voile 178 split, both with plates (Snowpro bails on Voile slider track on the Voile). Will be on plates for both the Rossi Half Gun and the Rossi 185 Undertaker this season. Plate and pow work fine, if you use a light touch when riding. Even the new Winterstick will be tougher to ride on piste compared to the Prior, probably a bit better in the deep stuff though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueB Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 ...But then I tried softies and loved the feel! Now I don't think that I'd go back to riding plates in powder. Something that friends have been telling me for a long time :) Oh, no! How could you succumb to peer pressure, Tom? There's only one cure, go ride with Mats, asap! :D Or, come visit us in BC, we'll set you straight again ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crucible Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 A Winterstick Swallowtail works best in powder that is at least 9" deep... In DEEP powder over 18", the Winterstick really comes into its own. I have been able to plane up in this type of powder at much slower speeds than any other snowboards. On groomers and boilerplate, it will definitely get squirrelly, sometimes so squirrelly that you run the risk of loosening your tooth fillings. Geo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skategoat Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Not a swallowtail but I ride another powder specific board, a Dupraz, in both hard boots and soft. When I get out on soft boots I almost always regret it. I have way more control in hard boots. BTW, if you want a powder board that works well on groomers, don't overlook the Dupraz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpalka Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Oh, no! How could you succumb to peer pressure, Tom? There's only one cure, go ride with Mats, asap! :D Or, come visit us in BC, we'll set you straight again ;) Ha ha -- no peer pressure. It was a snowcat trip near Silverton that did me in, I thought it might be a class V kind of day and switched to softies for it. The feel was so much surfier than in hardboots that I haven't looked back since. Skategoat: good to hear about the Dupraz. I just picked one up and am excited to ride it... The Powstick carved very nicely with HBs on the groomers too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahoetrencher Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 for the hike up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Unless you have to kick steps or use crampons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahoetrencher Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhw4XNQFzGc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 can be done for sure but many of them are to soft and the core will break at the binding vastly shortening the life of the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mprovenc Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Wow, I thought I was the only freak riding this type of set up... I use Burton race plates on my 185 undertaker and I feel comfortable and like the setup! Rode in Utah several years ago and Stowe last year as we caught the 4 day storm on our trip last year. The Undertaker is NO FUN on groomers though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dredman Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27536 More good discussion on the plate on powder board topic. Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted October 28, 2010 Report Share Posted October 28, 2010 Rossi 185 Big Gun - formerly known as the Undertaker but same board. Forget the Winterstick on the groomed. I love this colorway, reminds me of the Shannon Dunn "Element" , very surfy , low key graphics. Her's were done in water colors. Very nice!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 On the rare ocations of bottomless pow I would go soft. BUT most of the time a day of riding consist of anything from kneedeep to lees. Starting out the day in untracked and later in the day riding chopped stuff with maybe groomed under. And anything in between. This is where plates shine as I can go MachII cranking big turns everywhere. Sometimes in pow and sometimes in pow with groomed under. The amount of leverege I get in HB is simply not to find in softies. A softbooter often says: I can carve in my softboots. But we all know that he doesn't mean the carving we do. It´s the same riding a big board, twintip or Swallow in pow. You can put so much more into a turn. And with a swallow you can bank the turns in manner you just don´t do on a little puny 160 something twintip. Just cooking with plates another dish. Hotter and more tasty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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