Zone Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Bruce V broke his in similar fashion, sudden stop, folded the nose and forward flip. Xray might not show this kind of break, you might need an MRI. The fact that you can't weight bear right after is often a good indicator of a break. Get seen, get well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Get it seen ASAP! Make sure you ask them to closely check the Talus. Money will likely be the last of your worries if it is broken and you do not get it checked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_t Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I broke mine a couple of years ago from a compression/sudden stop. best advice is get a lace up support from the pharmacy and use it getting to the doc. I made it through two airports with help and to my sports medicine ortho dock and was lucky enough not to need surgery. In my case I think the lace on brace helped keep everything in place. Thank you for that Scott. Kept using the lace on thing with the big black immobilizing boot for six weeks and then good to go. Taking more risk may mean surgery if you are lucky enough to have the bone back in alignment now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Just to add +1. Mine was basically the same deal. Auger the nose in, twist forward until the front boot blows up. I blew the boot's cant control away before my ankle went. I suppose it depends on the individual, but I could just about ride to the pick-up where I froze my arse off for a while waiting for a fuel run. They helied me out. After that the pain got steadily worse and I needed something rather better than Tylenol - this required serious drugs. That was the millennium new year: fortunately I'm not superstitious. No long term effects; didn't ride again that season but did lots of other stuff and by the next season I'd forgotten which foot it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveInOregon Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Sorry to hear about the break Steve. Let it heal and come back charging!I broke my ankle in hard boots years and years ago at Nakiska at a race. I was doing some carving between my runs on an unfamiliar trail. i was in the middle of a carve and the hill had a sudden steep drop. i lost contact with the ground and flew through the air sideways, tumbled a bit and ended up in some trees with a broken ankle, broken binding and cuts on my face and arm. it can be done. In fact, if something clumsy and painful can be done I have probably done it! :D ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: So it looks like hard boots & hard binding are transmitting all the shock & energy to the 1st member in line ( the ankle ) which seams to be an encapsulated prisoner to both weight from above and shock from below. "POSSIBLE FUTURE REMEDY" ??? > You guys talk about the TD3 with one of the poly urethane type bases being a soft and flexible base cushion , it seams to me in my limited experience , just intuitively that if I were on one of those more lateral forgiving & shock absorbing binding set ups I mite have escaped , what do You think. Thanks :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik J Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 SteveInOregon - sorry to hear about your injury. I hope you get back to the slopes soon. What gear were you riding specifically? Your profile says old Rossi bindings & Raichle SBH. Post a pic of your gear if you are able. I'm reading thoughts here about releasable bindings, softer binding interface, reengineering the gear. I'm sure you've thought over and over about the events that transpired - what would you have done differently from a riding perspective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boarderboy Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I'm reading thoughts here about releasable bindings, softer binding interface, reengineering the gear. Difficult to design but doable in this layman's view. I'm on hardboots now because of my early attempts to use Earl Miller's release bindings. To the extent that they did release, they worked. The devil was in the details, however. If I'm not mistaken Fin started an inquiring release binding thread a couple years ago after Bryan's (?) bad SES injury. As I stated then, "back in the day" I was told Marker had a good design but didn't think there was a market for it. Because of hardboots' (still small) but greater presence "across the pond", my bet would be that if an all-conditions release binding surfaces, it'll be the Euro's who do it. My bones and joints look forward to that possibility. BB PS Take care of your ankle. Get it fixed, do the rehab, and don't rush back prematurely. Good Luck!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohob Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I broke mine about 8 years ago... Typical scenario; last run of the day and getting tired but really wanted to hit that perfect jump one more time. :rolleyes: Came down off balance on my heel-side edge - that old Nitro EFT Asym would not let you get away with that kinda slop - down I went on my hip and the nose of the board slammed into a small mogul at the bottom of the ravine. I swear i could hear my left ankle 'pop' in my old Koflach Alpintour's! I lay there in pain for a good 5 min ignoring the calls from the lift, then side slipped the rest of the way down the mountain. Any weight it put on my front foot hurt sooooo bad not to mention driving my old POS Volvo w/ a 5-speed back to town, glad i could rev-match. Good thing was it only took about 8 weeks to heal and it was the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveInOregon Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 SteveInOregon - sorry to hear about your injury. I hope you get back to the slopes soon.What gear were you riding specifically? Your profile says old Rossi bindings & Raichle SBH. Post a pic of your gear if you are able. I'm reading thoughts here about releasable bindings, softer binding interface, reengineering the gear. I'm sure you've thought over and over about the events that transpired - what would you have done differently from a riding perspective? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for asking. 1) I would have not gone at all, no seriously, I was super sore and tired from riding 5 hours strait , plus running up steep slope to chase after a school bus on last Thurs. ( read "blinded by laser" ) , so I was "weak in the legs right off the bat. 2) I should have stopped for lunch, but I left my wallet under the seat of my SUV and my lady friend took it down the to Shasta Xcountry ski area to do her thing , she was gone all day with my cash so I was not only , sore & tired I was hungry and thirsty, I couldn't even find a plastic chair to sit on outside to relax because there was a capacity crowd watching a hill jump big air contest and I was left standing * sigh so I thought the lift was the only good seat in the house relax on and so started riding again with no rest. 3) I should have spent the cash on Intuition or other mold-able liners and custom foot beds, "but" being a NuB I didn't have any baseline to evaluate how well my boots fit other than they didn't cut off any circulation so I was positive on my boots, they seamed ok, but I really knew I was going to get better liners, soon but no soon enough. 4) I should really be a "snow snob" and should have gone Xcountry when the conditions are not good, I had ice followed by sunny slush and a thousand weekend skiiers ruts to negotiate. The moral of the story is, I lead myself down my own path of stupidity aqnd now I am paying for it, the only good thing is I was looking out for "the other guy" , rather than gaining speed and splitting hairs I chose to slow down and drift sideways , oh well live and learn. PS I will take a few shots and post them of my equip :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 I had a tib/fib a couple seasons ago from folding the nose. 1. Do you have insurance? 2. Have you seen a doctor yet? 3. Keep the foot elevated, if possible above your heart, generally the higher the better. It will help the swelling immensely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik J Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 My point in asking was this - I don't believe that my equpiment will protect me...not my helmet, not my bindings, nothing. I am the only thing that will protect me. With my limited knowledge of snowboarding, as of now the last thing I want is a releasable binding. It's good to look at equipment and ask questions and evaluate and think and evaluate some more BUT...it sounds like you already know what comes after "but". FYI, It took me a looooong time to learn to take a break when I became tired on the hill. I can be my own worst enemy sometimes. Blah blah blah - I hope it's not a serious injury for you. Heal fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucklebeast Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Persevere my board broadening brother, elitism is for the birds, and leaves us paying top notch for under produced goods, plus it just isn't the West Coast way, Aloha Style and share the kindness. That said, jerks abound in every sport, and I'm just glad you're not one of them(been watching your verbal interplay sporadically, hope I'm not slinging crow...), and know your injury is just how life is, don't blame yourself, especially if you are learning from mistakes...riding tired and hungry=bad, and hypocrite that I am, I do it all the time due to over pricing at the vendors and my amp level as I blast out the door seldom leads to a sack lunch. Any updates on your condition? Hoping your not wincing like I am at every downhill crash in the Olympics...that thread even threatened me, LOL! Packing my lunch as I listen to rock, Aloha, C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ESPI Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 sooooo Steve, Make an appointment yet to see a Dr. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveInOregon Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Persevere my board broadening brother, elitism is for the birds, and leaves us paying top notch for under produced goods, plus it just isn't the West Coast way, Aloha Style and share the kindness.That said, jerks abound in every sport, and I'm just glad you're not one of them(been watching your verbal interplay sporadically, hope I'm not slinging crow...), and know your injury is just how life is, don't blame yourself, especially if you are learning from mistakes...riding tired and hungry=bad, and hypocrite that I am, I do it all the time due to over pricing at the vendors and my amp level as I blast out the door seldom leads to a sack lunch. Any updates on your condition? Hoping your not wincing like I am at every downhill crash in the Olympics...that thread even threatened me, LOL! Packing my lunch as I listen to rock, Aloha, C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY : > Thanks for the island cheers. Ya my amp is the same as yours, I set out everything the night before, I wax and stone at night while listening to the radio, check boot to bindings bla bla bla. I make sure everything is as good as possible ( very necessary with old used equip ) everything has to be perfect as can be so I can just park, stretch & suit up and hit the lift 1st thing. Since Your an island guy you must surf >( I didn't look at your profile yet) you know what its like to scrape sand wax off then re-wax up, make sure your suit (Cali cold water ) substitute fav trunks / suit isn't all stank from the day before , make sure you have fresh rinse water bla bla bla so when I get to the cliff's I can drink coffee and check the set, no time waisted. Howlie "out", lol.:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveInOregon Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 sooooo Steve,Make an appointment yet to see a Dr. ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: ( looking sheepish, avoiding eye contact ) :o No-ooo not yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamby Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Sorry to hear about your injury Steve - hope you make a speedy recovery. I've been following this thread only intermittently, so forgive me if I am less than completely informed about your condition, but am I correct in my understanding that you have not seen a doctor about your ankle yet? It might be a really good idea to go see an orthopedic doc about your condition and how you came to hurt yourself. My wife broke her ankle (talus) hard-booting two years ago, but it went undiagnosed for two weeks. Her x-rays showed no break. Doc said Rest, Ice, elevate the ankle. If in two weeks you are not better we will need to do an MRI. In two weeks, still painful to walk on. MRI revealed break of talus (inner ankle bone). Surgery and rehab, but better than what would have happened if it went untreated. The bone can die, (narcrocis - sp??). Talus break is a fairly common snowboarding injury that is often misdiagnosed by docs - they are not often trained to look for this injury. My wife was back carving the following winter (last season) and is really doing better this season. Still has some pain, but with lots of stretching and p.t. is doing better every day. I really think you need to see an orthopedic specialist about your injury asap. By the way, she broke it in a toe-side turn. She carved in to a pile of man-made snow from the groomed run and got into heavy boot chatter - bang, bang, bang... - felt the pain on the first bang. Boots buckled up loosely - it was a cold day and she had boot covers on and had forgot to tighten her boots up on the chair-lift ride up, so she was riding with her boots done up only loosely. She was riding with her boots in walk-mode too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patmoore Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Can U break an ankle in hardboots? Short answer is - yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveInOregon Posted February 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Sorry to hear about your injury Steve - hope you make a speedy recovery. I've been following this thread only intermittently, so forgive me if I am less than completely informed about your condition, but am I correct in my understanding that you have not seen a doctor about your ankle yet? It might be a really good idea to go see an orthopedic doc about your condition and how you came to hurt yourself. My wife broke her ankle (talus) hard-booting two years ago, but it went undiagnosed for two weeks. Her x-rays showed no break. Doc said Rest, Ice, elevate the ankle. If in two weeks you are not better we will need to do an MRI. In two weeks, still painful to walk on. MRI revealed break of talus (inner ankle bone). Surgery and rehab, but better than what would have happened if it went untreated. The bone can die, (narcrocis - sp??). Talus break is a fairly common snowboarding injury that is often misdiagnosed by docs - they are not often trained to look for this injury. My wife was back carving the following winter (last season) and is really doing better this season. Still has some pain, but with lots of stretching and p.t. is doing better every day. I really think you need to see an orthopedic specialist about your injury asap. By the way, she broke it in a toe-side turn. She carved in to a pile of man-made snow from the groomed run and got into heavy boot chatter - bang, bang, bang... - felt the pain on the first bang. Boots buckled up loosely - it was a cold day and she had boot covers on and had forgot to tighten her boots up on the chair-lift ride up, so she was riding with her boots done up only loosely. She was riding with her boots in walk-mode too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: OK, You and the other guys have got me convinced ( the dying bone thing got me > . I'm gonna go see Dr Talus 2morrow, Than:)ks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveInOregon Posted February 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Can U break an ankle in hardboots?Short answer is - yes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY REPLY: Hay my friend, how come you got a Gold medal for breaking your ankle and I didn't . My routine was pretty good maybe not a gold metal gymnast routine like yours,lol, but I did do nose dive hook high side front flip over, a loud yelp followed by rolling around in deep off trail snow moaning and groaning,lol. I think I should at least get a bronze for the moaning & groaning part :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terekhov Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 sure you can. have ankle injury for almost 3 years no - stuffed nose when speeding through soft moguls, cartwheeled and stopped when board dead-stopped and body tries to fly out from boots - yes, I had great momentum. ankle seriously sprained - I feel it every other day of riding... ( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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