AMK Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I don't really know ( more or less) what to think about charging a victim for search and rescue in backcountry. I came a cross few notes about case in NH ( 10 000 $) but according to M. Faber 3 states ( HI, NH, OR), can bill for SAR if you are deemed "negligent". In NH case " man had an aggressive hiking itinerary" ( ????) So right travel-insurance policy might save your $$$$$$$$$$$$$. As far as I know California, Idaho, Maine, Vermont and Colorado look to charge the rescued in certain situations. Maine can charge without proving negligence. Idaho can charge 4000$ on land closed to the public. 93 % of Colorado SAR missions conducted by volunteers (PRICELESS). I have been solo clambing, skiing, hiking and trekking for years so far only one really very b..., very b.... accident ( and I wasn't alone). Got so so help. Was left alone with extra backpack and ... well ... left along without my partner anymore. I wouldn't pay a dime for it. Have few more story's but I can't see myself paying for what yours ( our) govermant should pay. Maybe if you are on 100% guilty of being stupid and careless I guess yes, but how you can tell. .... thinking loud.... Anyway what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsider Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I would rather have the threat of a SAR bill looming than abolish the practice all together. SAR callouts can be expensive, especially when helicopters or large search groups are involved, and these operations cannot run indefinitely without a substantial amount of funding. I'm all for charging in the case of 51% and above negligence on the part of the rescued, and think it's a good idea to have the threat of a large bill contributing to that little voice in the back of my head telling me what I am about to do is not such a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbat Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 I wouldn't pay a dime for it. Have few more story's but I can't see myself paying for what yours ( our) govermant should pay. Maybe if you are on 100% guilty of being stupid and careless I guess yes, but how you can tell. .... thinking loud.... Anyway what do you think? Am I hearing you correctly? You are not willing to put up some cash for your own search and rescue, but feel that everyone else should be required to pay for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 IMO, you should be. there should also be a easy out for it. in some states a hunting or fishing license includes back country "insurance" don't remember which ones but one of guys I went to school with brings his sleds out west and that's what he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMK Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Am I hearing you correctly? You are not willing to put up some cash for your own search and rescue, but feel that everyone else should be required to pay for it? dingbat, not so fast. I'm more than happy to save my own a..., and I got insurance for it, plus I always buy extra for "high risk winter sports", even if I go for one day trip. In my thread I was just saying that on the day when I lost my partner it was just bad accident, not his not my fault. I don't think so, (how many time you can get hit by thunderbolt). And I didn't pay for it, and helicopter to. But I was left up there along with extra backpack and they didn't even take my info so they can look for me later on. No check on me, no nothing. Maybe if I pay they will do something, maybe they will take me on board. And I wouldn't have to drag my tired, stressed a... down the mountain along. ( but it's just wrong, "if you pay we will be nice") It was no SAR need it.1; But my point is some people have not good enough insurance and they might need help some day and we do pay tax, I do. Lots! ( here in US and in my country). In Europe part of your SS is going for it. I'm for some type of charge, some but not 10,000$. And if you are definitely guilty of negligent, yes. 2; we all taxpayers need help form time to time, or someone close to us. Today it's me, tomorrow it's you or my/yours friend. 3; close to 90% of US SAR operations are volunteer based. So how does this work. ( we pay and they work and got "0"?) In my opinion this problem need to be look at very carefully. It just not that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMK Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 IMO, you should be. there should also be a easy out for it. in some states a hunting or fishing license includes back country "insurance" don't remember which ones but one of guys I went to school with brings his sleds out west and that's what he does. bobdea, well yes and no. It's insurance for it. I got one since I know how it's to need some help. But how about all taxes we pay, and SS. How US can't do it and all Europe can. Just asking not trying to shoot anyone. I believe it should be better way out of problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 bobdea,well yes and no. It's insurance for it. I got one since I know how it's to need some help. But how about all taxes we pay, and SS. How US can't do it and all Europe can. Just asking not trying to shoot anyone. I believe it should be better way out of problem. there's lots of reasons why, the US is different both good and bad. costs of back country rescue is going way up with more people in the wilderness and with "yuppie 911 beacons" http://www.edgephiladelphia.com/index.php?ch=technology&sc=personal_tech&sc2=&sc3=&id=98138 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMK Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 there's lots of reasons why, the US is different both good and bad. costs of back country rescue is going way up with more people in the wilderness and with "yuppie 911 beacons" http://www.edgephiladelphia.com/index.php?ch=technology&sc=personal_tech&sc2=&sc3=&id=98138 so it looks like we have to pay for me, you, our friends and family and "yuppie's 911" or just deal with you own personal insurance or savings ( if you got some). Future might look expensive for some of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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