lonerider Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Originally posted by Hugh The long and short of it is I no longer enjoy softbooting. Plus, with a quiver like mine, there is no reason to softboot. Hugh Originally posted by PhilW - NOT Hugh... I was lazy and copy and pasted but forgot to editI guess I can't really answer the original question as although I've ridden soft boots they, well, just too soft. Hardbooting is awesome, and I don't mind it if some people want to become hardbooting specialists, but could we not rag on someone who wants a freeride board? I would like to repeat AlpentalRider's request to actually try and help the author find a freeride board (and not just powder specialist board like the Fish). I know Rick carves it up on a 4807 in all conditions, but he could carve it up on a 2x4, us mere mortals need more versatile gear. You are welcome say you opinion anytime you want, but that doesn't mean you opinion is always helpful... and do you think telling the author that you can't see why you would ever ride softboots again your as a very inclusive, welcoming and tolerant post for hardbooters. It would be like vegetarians commenting on a request for a meat loaf recipe. (my apologies if I offended any herbivores). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 I'll leave my above post unedited, so you can read what I wrote. The first quote by Hugh that you posted: states my current snowboard belief. I first began snowboading in 1996 with my Santa Cruz friend, Jim Farr. In 1999, I bought a Burton Coil and hooked up with Hiroshi and the Bay Area Carvers. Jim and I also met Kirk McClure at Dave's in Tahoe City. Kirk (Squaw Valley) is the BEST carver that I know, very humble guy and awesome symetrical continous carving lines...unreal. My point: in 1999, Kirk told Jim and I to switch over to hardbooting/carving fulltime to learn it. I didn't, I crossed back and forth. sometimes too much softbooting and sometimes too much hardbooting, oh well live and learn. I finally realized (for me) that carving gear for groomed runs and softboots for powder. Then, I bought the 4X4 and 4807 for hardbooting. I wanted a Fish too, so I bought it. My post yesterday states that I used to ride the Emma Peel (like others have posted), good board for interested freeriders, no? And my 164 SC Flame, good for power and freeriding, no? As far as the second quote that you stated that I said, that isn't me that said that, it was philw, so please don't hold me to what others have said. I hope others don't see me as ragging on anyone, we are all free to choose what and when to ride. I look forward to riding with you this coming season. my 0.04... Hugh p.s. Lonerider, please don't post another question for me to answer, I want my reply to rest here, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt D Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 I think this thread has gone a little off track. The original question was a freestyle deck, that can carve too. Then people started talking about the Prior 4WD, the Donek Axis, and boards in the high 170's and 180's. Sorry people, but I believe most of that to be way off topic. Who is going to hit the park, spin 3's, butter, and play like that on a carving oriented board? Not I! Not sure where NS Racer has disappeared to, but it would be nice for him to clarify this a little bit. My thoughts would be a board in the 150-160cm range depending on his size. Also a non-directional shape makes for better switch riding and landings. Soft enough to butter and manual, but stiff enough to hold an edge well and provide stable landings. Rossi (Premier), Atomic (Albin), Burton (Dominant, Uninc), Flow, Head... etc all make boards that would fit this description. IMO these are more what he's looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonerider Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Sorry Hugh, I wasn't trying to direct the answer directly at you, just the very noticeable trend to drag the subject back towards hardboots. You mention directing a question at you, but I never did ask you a question. My main line was I would like to repeat AlpentalRider's request to actually try and help the author find a freeride board (and not just powder specialist board like the Fish). I'm was trying to keep the topic on target - your post did start off by suggesting a nice freeride board for softboots and that was fine. But then you kind of went off topic on a kind of anti-topic tangent that PhilW placed an even stronger emphasis on. I apologize for the second quote, that was me being lazy trying to quote someone and I copy and pasted the line, but forgot to edit it. (I have since corrected it). Originally posted by Matt D I think this thread has gone a little off track. The original question was a freestyle deck, that can carve too. Then people started talking about the Prior 4WD, the Donek Axis, and boards in the high 170's and 180's. Sorry people, but I believe most of that to be way off topic. Who is going to hit the park, spin 3's, butter, and play like that on a carving oriented board? Not I! Not sure where NS Racer has disappeared to, but it would be nice for him to clarify this a little bit. My thoughts would be a board in the 150-160cm range depending on his size. Also a non-directional shape makes for better switch riding and landings. Soft enough to butter and manual, but stiff enough to hold an edge well and provide stable landings. Rossi (Premier), Atomic (Albin), Burton (Dominant, Uninc), Flow, Head... etc all make boards that would fit this description. IMO these are more what he's looking for. Yes, Matt D basically stated what I was trying to say. Again, I understand and a handful of people can freeride/freestyle extremely well in hardbooters, but they are exceptions to the rule. The author wants something that is different an alpine/hardboot setup, but not a completely lunch tray either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northcoast Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 I LOVE to carve. I also love to butter, hit the rails, launch of booters, and spin until I'm dizzy. I need something that does all of the above. Obviously I'm biased but the board for me that is the new Donek Twin 161. The twin is one of two new models coming out this year. (Phoenix is the other.) Same Donek quality and performance but in a more flexible true twin tipped package. It is completely symmetrical making switch riding much easier. ________ REVIEWS OF PORTABLE VAPORIZERS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NS Racer Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Sorry guys I was away with work. Wow what a lot of responses. I realize it started to get a little confusing without any clarification. However there is still alot of useful information which is what really matters!! After hearing everyones opinions I find myself wondering if soft boots is what I really want. Maybe I just need a free carve board and soft shell boots. The more I thought about it the more I found myself only wanting the soft set up for Powder and geral "off-trail" riding. I think I may find my self in the same boat as most of you guys in that I would spend most of my time wishing I had a carving set-up below me. I think my choice will be the Coiler 172 All Mountain. Thanks for all the input. But I think I owe it to Bruce to stick with him after the quality and workmanship that went into my 2004 Pure Race 184. Not to mention his hooking me up with 2005 top sheet graphics just cause it happened to arrive the day he was putting my top sheet on and he figured I'd like to be the only one with it for the entire season :D . So thanks again and have a great season and play safe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdea Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by LeeW Oh you got those? Ive consider gettin' those boards. Just a bit wee-bit too long for me. Im 5'10" and 200 lbs. I know that Mike Olson rides 'em considering how tall he is (HE IS TALL!) and he says he loves to ride on 'em. Im debating whether to get Dough Boy 193 or Grocer 180. We'll see. Turny-- 11 to 9 sidecut progressive. That's a bit turny. Is it still turny when youre carving on them ? I prefer other longboards, I liked the glissade a little better and the tanker is better as well. the Grocer is a great board and it feels more "natural"(turns the way a board its size should) than a doughboy one issue with the doughboy might be that if it does have a pregressive sidecut that could be one reason I felt it being too turny and kind of nervous at the end of my turns this only bothered me on good groom so as long as you have a quiver it will have its place I never have really liked the ride of most of the boards with progressive sidecut I guess its just a preference though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thomas_m Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by LeeW Oh you got those? Ive consider gettin' those boards. Just a bit wee-bit too long for me. Im 5'10" and 200 lbs. I know that Mike Olson rides 'em considering how tall he is (HE IS TALL!) and he says he loves to ride on 'em. Im debating whether to get Dough Boy 193 or Grocer 180. We'll see. Turny-- 11 to 9 sidecut progressive. That's a bit turny. Is it still turny when youre carving on them ? Yep, he's pretty tall. So is his wife. Pics 1, 2 and 6 are Mike Olson. http://www.crowmountain.net/Surfing/WIP/05-17-03/index.html I've talked to his wife a couple times since we're often surfing the same breaks up in the Strait. They seem like really nice folks. T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by bobdea I prefer other longboards, I liked the glissade a little better and the tanker is better as well. the Grocer is a great board and it feels more "natural"(turns the way a board its size should) than a doughboy one issue with the doughboy might be that if it does have a pregressive sidecut that could be one reason I felt it being too turny and kind of nervous at the end of my turns this only bothered me on good groom so as long as you have a quiver it will have its place I never have really liked the ride of most of the boards with progressive sidecut I guess its just a preference though only long board I have is the litigator 172, minus my rossi 184 WC. Ill check out the Grocer and see what it feels like. :) I just ordered a Scotty '05 board 159. its not progressive--8.2 only .2 difference from Emma Peel 8.0 and i hope its not that noticeable. Im not sure if I can remember what it feels like to ride on progressive boards, even tho I have had own some of 'em in the past. THanks for the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Originally posted by thomas_m Yep, he's pretty tall. So is his wife. Pics 1, 2 and 6 are Mike Olson. http://www.crowmountain.net/Surfing/WIP/05-17-03/index.html I've talked to his wife a couple times since we're often surfing the same breaks up in the Strait. They seem like really nice folks. T. OOo, nice photos. 002 and 006's mike, right? his bowleg's a dead give-away. ive only seen his wife at mervin mfg christmas party some time back. i was busy gettin' ****ed up with the crew. hehe Mike Olson's got a big thumbs up from me, with his kindness! I think Im gonna tell him about this forum. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 2010 Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 RIDE CLICKERS AT 48/35 ON A STIFF LONG BOARD (167+), NEVER LOOK WHERE YOU ARE NOT GOING, AND THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. CARVING ON CLICKERS AT SOMEWHAT STEEPER ANGLES, ON A TORTIONALLY STIFF BOARD WITH SOME CARBON AND ALL THAT, AND THEN CHARGING TREES, DROPS, AND EVERYTHING WHEN IT SNOWS, WILL OPEN YOUR MIND. YOU MIGHT EVEN MELT YOUR HARD BOOTS, BUT I AM NOT HOLDING MY BREATH. JUST KEEP YOUR MIND OPEN. LOVEITALL. CANTWEALLJUSTGETALONG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 sure we can, if you quit yelling maybe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 Good call Matt D I recently got back into riding softie setups fot teaching after 8 years on nothing but hards, carving or freeride. I got an Alibi 159 last year and loved it,super flexy but torsionally rigid enough to get on edge and have some fun. mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slopetool Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 My boards for soft snow all have the Palmer Pro-Link plates under the binding for better edge control. And I use the 04' K2 transformer boots and SST clicker bindings Morrow 176 matt goodwill Rad-Air Tankers 200, 192 How about those apples? Rick F?:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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