Radial Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 It sounds kind of anal but I keep a carving journal of the days I ride and what I was thinking and learned. I have just passed through 325 days on the Alpine board and really good things are starting to happen. Here are five things that have made a difference this year. 1. There are some ski instruction videos on YouTube with Bodie Miller. They turn up at the end of search for Alpine Snowboarding. There are about five segments showing carved truns, ice, steeps etc. He is not a pretty free skiier. He is very efficient and steady. The segment on ice just changed my whole perspective on carving. He emphasized balance, good position, and using your feet. Somehow watching him ski moved my riding much farther than all of the hours I must have invested in the EC boys. 2. Hips up and forward. 3. Follow the tip. 4. Relax my arms. 5. Don't curl my toes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xy9ine Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 325 days on the Alpine board my god! thats amazing. in how many years? i'm at ~15. go me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdboytyler Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 ... Somehow watching him ski moved my riding much farther than all of the hours I must have invested in the EC boys... Despite the ongoing debate at BOL regarding EC vs Bomber style; I've gravitated towards EC. However, with the Push/Pull techniqe, I would consistently chatter out when in hard / icy conditions (both heelside and toeside). J&P had always said that Push/Pull works on ice. I thought maybe I had the wrong board. I then got a Coiler Schtubby 171 which is suppose to be great on ice. When I got into icy conditions, I still chattered out toeside, but held on heelside. So I figure, it has to be operator error. Then I watched Carved (the full version) and watched it frame by frame. Watching the EC guys really bend the knees and transition the weight from front to back in super duper slow-mo, high def, it finally clicked. I finally understood the "feed the dollar" analogy. A few days later, I tried it out on the slopes. I bent the knees more and subtle transition from front to back; my toeside carve held in icy conditions. I was AMAZED. Before my revelation, I could carve a full 360 on my heelside; on toeside, I'd chatter out just past the 180 mark. After watching "Carved", I got to the 270 mark on my toeside. Now with the proper run, I'm sure I'll be able to carve a full 360 on my toeside. I think even if you're not into EC, "Carved" is the best example I've seen for "bend the knees" and "feed the dollar". I did have to convert "Carved" to .mov format in order to watch it frame by frame on QuickTime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zone Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 The movie comes in the .mov version in high def I believe. Also filming from behind like they did is really helpful to visualize. I flipped the movie around to make him ride goofie like I do to help visualize further. Great cinematography even if you are not into EC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pow4ever Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Then I watched Carved (the full version) and watched it frame by frame. Watching the EC guys really bend the knees and transition the weight from front to back in super duper slow-mo, high def, it finally clicked. I finally understood the "feed the dollar" analogy. A few days later, I tried it out on the slopes. I bent the knees more and subtle transition from front to back; my toeside carve held in icy conditions. I was AMAZED. Before my revelation, I could carve a full 360 on my heelside; on toeside, I'd chatter out just past the 180 mark. After watching "Carved", I got to the 270 mark on my toeside. Now with the proper run, I'm sure I'll be able to carve a full 360 on my toeside. I think even if you're not into EC, "Carved" is the best example I've seen for "bend the knees" and "feed the dollar". What's this "feed the dollar" technique? I am very interested. I was talking to a skier/boarder and he also mention of rocking front and back. thanks David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me jack Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Despite the ongoing debate at BOL regarding EC vs Bomber style what are the differences between the 2 styles? is there somewhere i can read about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 S. Orecchio is omniscient. http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=5276 Alright, sorry. http://extremecarving.com/tech/tech.html That details the basics for EC, then there's the load of articles by Jack and others here that detail angulation AKA Bomber Style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acitarella Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Radial -- Post the link of Bode. Couldn't find it. Thx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdboytyler Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 what are the differences between the 2 styles? is there somewhere i can read about this? I guess it's actually two differing techniques. Volumes have been written. Here's the best free examples that I know of for each one: extremecarving/Eurocarving Bomber/Racer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loc Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Is there a history of animosity between bomber and EC stylists? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 what are the differences between the 2 styles? is there somewhere i can read about this? Soap Opera Digest. Don't put yourself into a box. It feels better that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdboytyler Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 What's this "feed the dollar" technique? I am very interested. I was talking to a skier/boarder and he also mention of rocking front and back. thanks David The way I interpret it, it's a subtle transition from front to back. Here are some screen captures from Carved: Rider is centered when at the start of the toeside turn, knees are bent. Farther into the turn, weight is slightly shifted to the back, you can see the nose barely coming off the ground, knees are bent even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdboytyler Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Is there a history of animosity between bomber and EC stylists? Just curious. Yes In order of ferocity: There's Hatfield and McCoys East Coast rapper vs West Coast Rapper Celtics vs Lakers Skiers and Snowboarders Carvers and Jibbers then finally, Bomber vs EC:lurk: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCrimson Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 The way I interpret it, it's a subtle transition from front to back. This is my understanding as well, but the way I've been told by my dad, it's a bit more than subtle, at least on skis. My dad carves them 2 plank things purty good with cross-through. A lot of his technique came from "How the Racers Ski" There is a particular section in the book where the authors tells you to imagine a a small square painted on the snow (somewhere near the gate you're going around, no clue where this is because I don't ski nor do I race! :lol:) and maintain your weight on that single patch of snow as the ski passes over it, correctly regulating both how much the ski turns, and how much it "picks you up" and crosses back underneath you, in addition to this, you gradually load the tail(s), throwing you forward onto the next patch where you repeat the process, starting from the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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