Ear dragger Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Does it totally stink to ride without a back cant plate? I just got a board and my old cant plate is a 3 hole design, and of course the board is 4 hole. any info would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boardman73 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 iv'e been riding flat for many years now and it works just fine,also lets ya know real quick if your stance is too wide!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ear dragger Posted January 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 well i managed to install my old cant plate in the back foot, but ive never had a front cant! anyway the next important question is I went from a 173 to a 168 board, should i make the stance a little shorter due to the short board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boardman73 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 i would just go with what feels comfy! i know for myself that even a cm wider makes a huge difference in riding and bending my fat ass over to get clipped in:biggthump i ride almost the same width on boards from 163 to 185 because it just feels right from so many years of riding a narrow stance but again everyones different so just experiment till ya get in the zone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Does it totally stink to ride without a back cant plate? I just got a board and my old cant plate is a 3 hole design, and of course the board is 4 hole. any info would be greatly appreciated. Hmm? Get a 4 hole cant plate and center disk? Although you will be getting in a long line and will need to act fast to claim the goods. My bet is Thor will beat you to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrol Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I tried to use cant plates when I got my first alpine board years and years ago. never did get it to 'feel' right. I tossed 'em aside and just rode. ended up most comfy and riding better with a narrower stance at higher angles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBrad Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I'm still experimenting with the cant thing myself. I rode with a rear cant when I first started on hardboots, then for years I rode with no cant, but with a narrow stance. The boards I rode were an UltraPrime 156 and an Alp 156, which have their center stance widths at 16" and 17" respectively. This year I bought a new 4WD, and its center stance width is 19.5". Based on the guidance here and on the carver's almanac, I set my stance width around 19.3" When I clipped in and stood in a balanced stance I felt a lot of pressure on the inside of the rear boot cuff, even with the boot cuff adusted at max inward cant. So I installed a rear cant and everything felt a lot more comfortable. However, I'm not sure if this is actually working better while riding or not. I think that next time I will try narrowing my stance down to about 18" and removing the rear cant and see how that feels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikerdad Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 First off, lift is the difference in height between your toe and heel and cant is the difference in height between the inside and the outside of your boot, moving your knees left or right of the board's center line. Up until the TD2's and the Catek's came out, you didn't have a lot of adjustment in what you ended up with as far as cant goes. With the TD1's, the more lift you used, the more inward cant you would have. With Snow Pros and a couple of others, you could get lift with no cant. There were exceptions like the Burton vari cant (?) but, for the most part, you took the cant that the lift and your binding angle dictated. You would have to use what boot cant was available to try to compensate. I think this has led to a lot of riders going with vary little or no lift and a narrower stance than might be ideal. Now, with TD2's and Catek's, any combination is possible and probably beneficial to anyone riding flat or with any other binding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trikerdad Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 If it was a perfect world and every ones legs were straight, most riders would end up running about the same lift and cant. I've always been a little knock kneed which meant that a few degrees of inward cant worked pretty well for me. After shattering my tibia and crushing the outside of my tibia plateau, I eventually ended up with 15 degrees of valgus (outward bend) in my right (front) leg. (Read extremely bowlegged.) This required a lot of inward cant on my front binding. After riding that way for a couple of years I had a wedge osteotomy that made my right leg perfectly straight. Now I run a little inward cant on my back foot and straight toe lift (no cant) on my front foot. I wonder how many people know if they are bow, straight or knock kneed. Take a yard stick, or something similar, and put one end against the front of your hip bone. Extend it through the center of your knee toward your ankle. If the line extends to the inside of the center of your ankle, you're knock kneed. If it extends through the center of your ankle, you're straight legged. And, if it extends to the outside of the center of your ankle, you are bow legged. You can measure how many degrees by using another straight edge from the center of your knee to the center of your ankle and, using a protractor, read the difference from where the two straight edges diverge below the knee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik J Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Tomorrow I'm going to ditch my rear heel lift just for poops & giggles. I'll post my half wit observations afterward - as opposed to beforehand, which would just be silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Sub Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 william blake how much narrower do your students find they have to go with stance widths? I ride 21.5 or so, with just a little heel lift/cant on the back... I've wanted to ride all flat...don't seem to have too much weirdness in the leg department so it shouldn't be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bullet Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 This has been an interesting thread. I started flat and was extremely uncomfortable. I found that my front leg burned like the dickens. I introduced 6 degree toe lift on the front foot and 3 degree heal on the rear. Paired with a fairly wide stance, I feel comfortable and balanced and have no problems carving aggressively in many conditions. I think I'll try flattening out again and see if I can tell a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boardman73 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 hey wb here i was thinking that i was just being practical by riding flat(read one less variable to screw up when purchasing/mounting bindings)but based on your thoughts it seems maybe i actually made the right decision to keep it simple many years back when i broke my last pair of canted bindings and have been using flat race plates ever since. so now there is nothing to blame my bad riding on but fatness:angryfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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