Bomber Legal: Is this something you want to hear about?

[fin]

As some of you know Bomber, along with F2 (Boards and More), has been named in a lawsuit in California. You can read some of the details here: http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?p=56894#post56894

It has been over two years and we are still involved with this lawsuit. Recently, a few events have occurred that, unfortunately, are not for the better. I would like to update everyone but at the same time I feel that maybe this is not why people come to this forum, to hear about Bomber's legal woes. Given, I could just say "my forum, I'll post what I want" but I don't feel right doing that.

So I want to ask you guys if you would like to hear the latest on this lawsuit or you feel this forum is not the place for it? I have set up a poll here, so let us know.

Regardless, thanks everyone for the support during this!

[Jeffrey Day]

Hey Fin,

I am interested in an update, would feel that this is a very relative "on topic" snowboard related subject that could affect all of us on this very forum! I would be a bit surprised if the vast majority on this forum wouldn't want to have an update.

Anyways, I wish there were more ways for us, the collective hardbooters, to help out Bomber! Or just me as an individual, so I'm not talking for everyone out there.

[Ray]

Recently, a few events have occurred that, unfortunately, are not for the better.

Sorry to hear that! I still hope for the best!!!

Yes, please keep us up to date.

[pebu]

I'd say if the number of our North American snowboard suppliers got cut nearly in half it'd be something on topic. I wish I would have been around earlyer, cause I for sure would have done the package.

[Skalpel]

I'm really sorry to hear about that. I think what you guys did for alpine snowboarding is just unbelieveble. If it wasnt for BOL and this comunity I would still be on softboots missing out on something amazing, what hardbooting definetly is... Many would.

With that in mind I honestly hope all will end well...

I would like to hear an update.

Best of luck!

[tex1230]

SCENE II. Blackheath.

Enter GEORGE BEVIS and JOHN HOLLAND

BEVIS

Come, and get thee a sword, though made of a lath;

they have been up these two days.

HOLLAND

They have the more need to sleep now, then.

BEVIS

I tell thee, Jack Cade the clothier means to dress

the commonwealth, and turn it, and set a new nap upon it.

HOLLAND

So he had need, for 'tis threadbare. Well, I say it

was never merry world in England since gentlemen came up.

BEVIS

O miserable age! virtue is not regarded in handicrafts-men.

HOLLAND

The nobility think scorn to go in leather aprons.

BEVIS

Nay, more, the king's council are no good workmen.

HOLLAND

True; and yet it is said, labour in thy vocation;

which is as much to say as, let the magistrates be

labouring men; and therefore should we be

magistrates.

BEVIS

Thou hast hit it; for there's no better sign of a

brave mind than a hard hand.

HOLLAND

I see them! I see them! there's Best's son, the

tanner of Wingham,--

BEVIS

He shall have the skin of our enemies, to make

dog's-leather of.

HOLLAND

And Dick the Butcher,--

BEVIS

Then is sin struck down like an ox, and iniquity's

throat cut like a calf.

HOLLAND

And Smith the weaver,--

BEVIS

Argo, their thread of life is spun.

HOLLAND

Come, come, let's fall in with them.

Drum. Enter CADE, DICK the Butcher, SMITH the Weaver, and a Sawyer, with infinite numbers

CADE

We John Cade, so termed of our supposed father,--

DICK

[Aside] Or rather, of stealing a cade of herrings.

CADE

For our enemies shall fall before us, inspired with

the spirit of putting down kings and princes,

--Command silence.

DICK

Silence!

CADE

My father was a Mortimer,--

DICK

[Aside] He was an honest man, and a good

bricklayer.

CADE

My mother a Plantagenet,--

DICK

[Aside] I knew her well; she was a midwife.

CADE

My wife descended of the Lacies,--

DICK

[Aside] She was, indeed, a pedler's daughter, and

sold many laces.

SMITH

[Aside] But now of late, notable to travel with her

furred pack, she washes bucks here at home.

CADE

Therefore am I of an honourable house.

DICK

[Aside] Ay, by my faith, the field is honourable;

and there was he borne, under a hedge, for his

father had never a house but the cage.

CADE

Valiant I am.

SMITH

[Aside] A' must needs; for beggary is valiant.

CADE

I am able to endure much.

DICK

[Aside] No question of that; for I have seen him

whipped three market-days together.

CADE

I fear neither sword nor fire.

SMITH

[Aside] He need not fear the sword; for his coat is of proof.

DICK

[Aside] But methinks he should stand in fear of

fire, being burnt i' the hand for stealing of sheep.

CADE

Be brave, then; for your captain is brave, and vows

reformation. There shall be in England seven

halfpenny loaves sold for a penny: the three-hooped

pot; shall have ten hoops and I will make it felony

to drink small beer: all the realm shall be in

common; and in Cheapside shall my palfrey go to

grass: and when I am king, as king I will be,--

ALL

God save your majesty!

CADE

I thank you, good people: there shall be no money;

all shall eat and drink on my score; and I will

apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree

like brothers and worship me their lord.

DICK

The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

CADE

Nay, that I mean to do. Is not this a lamentable

thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should

be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled

o'er, should undo a man? Some say the bee stings:

but I say, 'tis the bee's wax; for I did but seal

once to a thing, and I was never mine own man

since. How now! who's there?

Enter some, bringing forward the Clerk of Chatham

SMITH

The clerk of Chatham: he can write and read and

cast accompt.

CADE

O monstrous!

SMITH

We took him setting of boys' copies.

CADE

Here's a villain!

SMITH

Has a book in his pocket with red letters in't.

CADE

Nay, then, he is a conjurer.

DICK

Nay, he can make obligations, and write court-hand.

CADE

I am sorry for't: the man is a proper man, of mine

honour; unless I find him guilty, he shall not die.

Come hither, sirrah, I must examine thee: what is thy name?

Clerk

Emmanuel.

DICK

They use to write it on the top of letters: 'twill

go hard with you.

CADE

Let me alone. Dost thou use to write thy name? or

hast thou a mark to thyself, like an honest

plain-dealing man?

CLERK

Sir, I thank God, I have been so well brought up

that I can write my name.

ALL

He hath confessed: away with him! he's a villain

and a traitor.

CADE

Away with him, I say! hang him with his pen and

ink-horn about his neck.

Exit one with the Clerk

Enter MICHAEL

MICHAEL

Where's our general?

CADE

Here I am, thou particular fellow.

MICHAEL

Fly, fly, fly! Sir Humphrey Stafford and his

brother are hard by, with the king's forces.

CADE

Stand, villain, stand, or I'll fell thee down. He

shall be encountered with a man as good as himself:

he is but a knight, is a'?

MICHAEL

No.

CADE

To equal him, I will make myself a knight presently.

Kneels

Rise up Sir John Mortimer.

Rises

Now have at him!

Enter SIR HUMPHREY and WILLIAM STAFFORD, with drum and soldiers

SIR HUMPHREY

Rebellious hinds, the filth and scum of Kent,

Mark'd for the gallows, lay your weapons down;

Home to your cottages, forsake this groom:

The king is merciful, if you revolt.

WILLIAM STAFFORD

But angry, wrathful, and inclined to blood,

If you go forward; therefore yield, or die.

CADE

As for these silken-coated slaves, I pass not:

It is to you, good people, that I speak,

Over whom, in time to come, I hope to reign;

For I am rightful heir unto the crown.

SIR HUMPHREY

Villain, thy father was a plasterer;

And thou thyself a shearman, art thou not?

CADE

And Adam was a gardener.

WILLIAM STAFFORD

And what of that?

CADE

Marry, this: Edmund Mortimer, Earl of March.

Married the Duke of Clarence' daughter, did he not?

SIR HUMPHREY

Ay, sir.

CADE

By her he had two children at one birth.

WILLIAM STAFFORD

That's false.

CADE

Ay, there's the question; but I say, 'tis true:

The elder of them, being put to nurse,

Was by a beggar-woman stolen away;

And, ignorant of his birth and parentage,

Became a bricklayer when he came to age:

His son am I; deny it, if you can.

DICK

Nay, 'tis too true; therefore he shall be king.

SMITH

Sir, he made a chimney in my father's house, and

the bricks are alive at this day to testify it;

therefore deny it not.

SIR HUMPHREY

And will you credit this base drudge's words,

That speaks he knows not what?

ALL

Ay, marry, will we; therefore get ye gone.

WILLIAM STAFFORD

Jack Cade, the Duke of York hath taught you this.

CADE

[Aside] He lies, for I invented it myself.

Go to, sirrah, tell the king from me, that, for his

father's sake, Henry the Fifth, in whose time boys

went to span-counter for French crowns, I am content

he shall reign; but I'll be protector over him.

DICK

And furthermore, well have the Lord Say's head for

selling the dukedom of Maine.

CADE

And good reason; for thereby is England mained, and

fain to go with a staff, but that my puissance holds

it up. Fellow kings, I tell you that that Lord Say

hath gelded the commonwealth, and made it an eunuch:

and more than that, he can speak French; and

therefore he is a traitor.

SIR HUMPHREY

O gross and miserable ignorance!

CADE

Nay, answer, if you can: the Frenchmen are our

enemies; go to, then, I ask but this: can he that

speaks with the tongue of an enemy be a good

counsellor, or no?

ALL

No, no; and therefore we'll have his head.

WILLIAM STAFFORD

Well, seeing gentle words will not prevail,

Assail them with the army of the king.

SIR HUMPHREY

Herald, away; and throughout every town

Proclaim them traitors that are up with Cade;

That those which fly before the battle ends

May, even in their wives' and children's sight,

Be hang'd up for example at their doors:

And you that be the king's friends, follow me.

Exeunt WILLIAM STAFFORD and SIR HUMPHREY, and soldiers

CADE

And you that love the commons, follow me.

Now show yourselves men; 'tis for liberty.

We will not leave one lord, one gentleman:

Spare none but such as go in clouted shoon;

For they are thrifty honest men, and such

As would, but that they dare not, take our parts.

DICK

They are all in order and march toward us.

CADE

But then are we in order when we are most

out of order. Come, march forward.

[Fastskiguy]

^^^^ ?

[Fastskiguy]

I just followed the thread and read a few posts from October 2005...that's almost 3 years ago and still (apparently) going. That offer back in '05 to take the funds from a promo sale and apply them to lawyer fees or (hopefully) just donate them to a injured party, well that was a very nice gesture. I wonder if the attorneys for the plaintiff offered to work for the injured party at a reduced cost...you know, not just profits but "net-funds from sales."

I'd like to hear about it, right on the forum would be great. Good luck :)

[D-Sub]

Definitely update us, but wait til my anger-tolerance level is reasonable :|

[tex1230]

^^^^ ?

edited for those who slept through shakespeare

D - when is your anger tolerance ever low?

[D-Sub]

that'd be "high" actually, as in capable of much tolerance.

answer: rarely, and rightfully so.

If you're not angry you're not paying attention. :)

[Phil]

I still wish you guys the best in this. I welcome updates. No need to go to "off topic" about it. I never read the Off Topic forum and I am guessing that there are others who do not as well. This is definitely a snowboard related topic.

Thanks.

[Hans]

Want an update definately. Just have followed it on the forum and still can't follow the Americans in this lawsuit. But hey seems the USA is a country of lawyers and lawsuits. If you think that some one has wicked eyes, just prosecute him

Hope Fin gets out of this without losing too much money. Would be a graet loss for the business if bomber will be ended by this. If I have to donate by buying morebomberbutter, I hear you.

[Scuff]

Yes Fin, Please keep us updated on this matter.

Bomberonline is a valuable resource to all of us, for gear, tips,

info, and news. You've been an awesome supporter of the sport.

Wish you the best of luck.

~Karl

[Allee]

This forum has been the best thing that happened to my winters since I found it three years ago. It would be a huge shame if the company and forum comes out the loser.

I think it's fair to say that you have a lot of support out there, and we'd all be interested to know the progress.

[Terryw]

As a former victim of malicioius prosecution you have all my sympathy. I would very much like to know what happens as this suit moves foward. If there is any way to help, please plese let us be there for you. All that is necessary for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing. Please let those of us who wish to fight evil stand with you. I'm sure that I still need some of that special Bomber Butter .

Terry

[Kirk]

I still wish you guys the best in this. I welcome updates. No need to go to "off topic" about it. I never read the Off Topic forum and I am guessing that there are others who do not as well. This is definitely a snowboard related topic.

Thanks.

+ 1

All our best for this unfortunate and challenging situation. Please keep us informed!

[LeeW]

pls do.

[spil]

I say it definately deserves to be on the Carving Community forum, not the Off Topic. If people don't want to hear about it, they can just skip it and not click on it.

[Dave Winters]

Totally On Topic. All the best...

[D.T.]

Yeah, absolutely, considering you and Bomber are the reason "this" community exists!

Sorry to hear that this is still on-going

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Yes, by all means Fin!! I am sure a great majority of BOL members would want to know what has transpired. I wish you and BOL the best. Bryan

[pebu]

The fact that we're all still able to come here and learn and talk about stuff like this is a testament to the determination of everyone at bomber as well as all who have hung around throughout. Raising my glass... Here's to a continuation of the great service and comradery provided here and throughout the alpine industry.

[bartron]

Yes, I think we should definitely hear more about it.

It's about a carver, carving equipment, carving equipment manufacturers and riding a carving board, which is all fair game on this board.

I was under the impression that the lawsuit was resolved. I'm really sorry to hear that it isn't. I would certainly like to know I can help.

'later...

[Guest]

Fin, we all are behind you 100%, and I truly believe there is not a person here who isn't waiting with baited breath for your next update.