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Dave ESPI
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http://www.savenetradio.org/

The internet is about to get dealt a serious slap down.

All the radiostations or websites you listen to that are free and don't have commercials and are not all owned by the same conglomerates that are a monopoly on the airwaves of FM and AM radio........ ( Like Clearchannel Network) are about to be "ROYALTY RATED" out of existance.

I never lobby for help or support with anything, but this goes beyond just a "me" cause. It needs ALL OUR SUPPORT to get out senators to not just turn a blind eye to this.

I don't know about your local radio stations, but mine really suck. they play the same crap all day long and there never is anything really "new" or different, and it is all junk. Witht eh Internet I can find the music I want to listen to and not just local radio.

Please click the link above and read about it, and CALL YOUR REPRESENATIVES !

It is about the people and free speach and equality of market share.

thanks, Dave-ESPI

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Through the last few weeks I've been connecting to Internet radio much more frequently than broadcast FM--IMO it is by far the better resource to "pull" programming that works for you (these days I'm waay stoked with Pandora).

If you also like to tune in via the web, here's some more info on the Internet Radio Equality Act (not completely unbiased--provided by an interest group).

http://action.freepress.net/campaign/netradio/

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are there really any internet radio stations worth listening to?

let it die...it's pretty useless anyway

really - I only listen to radio in my car for traffic & weather...otherwise I mix my own stff on my iPod...and never turn on a radio at home...

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are there really any internet radio stations worth listening to?

let it die...it's pretty useless anyway

really - I only listen to radio in my car for traffic & weather...otherwise I mix my own stff on my iPod...and never turn on a radio at home...

I really enjoy putting on house/trance music while I work (programming). Internet radio is an excellent source for that. iTunes makes it easy.

B2 - thanks for the heads up on Pandora - wow!

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who was I looking for? and Why?

p.s. welcome back willy...you were missed

thanks, noah. It was Noah Woz, he's got a few posts here.

I ran into into him with Angie at killington late season after not seeing him for 10 years back in the days at Stowe.

Good guy, great carver and was asking about Booster2. I told him try to BOL and Vail.

Mr Hart was an inspiration to us all back at Stowe.

Hopefully Noah will connect on the Cape this summer and get into kiting.

He also turned me on to Black Dog Sports at KMart, great shop for carving gear and Dave Manning is the man, http://www.blackdogdeals.com/ :biggthump

Neil, If I did still subscribe to Sirius I think I'd bump it up to the higher bandwidth for streaming it on the computer. Running sat radio through the helmet speakers would be pretty sweet, too. I think Bordy has that dialed in.

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are there really any internet radio stations worth listening to?

let it die...it's pretty useless anyway

really - I only listen to radio in my car for traffic & weather...otherwise I mix my own stff on my iPod...and never turn on a radio at home...

not internet radio but a TON of great DIY muzak

http://www.acidplanet.com

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are there really any internet radio stations worth listening to?

let it die...it's pretty useless anyway

really - I only listen to radio in my car for traffic & weather...otherwise I mix my own stff on my iPod...and never turn on a radio at home...

See this is the EXACT reason that Ignorance of things because YOU personaly have no use for it messes it up for everyone else.

You have an I-POD. They run on MP3. MP3 was a creation BECAUSE of the INTERNET. Internet radio is a global media and it is free. Now we are not limited to what we listen to, and can select what we want to hear by clicks of a button and are not limited to just what is in FM radio broadcasting in the local area. I-tunes charge to upload to your PC. Their rates go up also.

Tex, how do you get your MP3 down/uploads presently ? Chances are you are NOT recording them off of the FM radio. Royalty rates ruin the net broadcasters because the FCC does not have their hands in the pockets of people who just simply have servers up that pay money out of their own pockets to get their own music or other independent music makers out there and to be heard as well as provide people with a means to listen to that which is not localy available in their market. Perhaps in Boston or NYC there is 200 radio channels, but in WallaWalla Washington there is 4.

Tex, if you watch Television as your form of entertainment, and are able to have 300 channels free, then soneone starts saying you can inly have 6 channels because the majority of the other channels are now defunct because the local cable provider decided to charge you a "premium" on the ability to listent o them, OR they were taxed out of existance where before they were making cost and bills equaly to be self sufficient.................. You wouldn't be a happy person I bet.

ME ? I have not watched TV in almost 7 years as a form of "entertainment", so conversely I can say "Cable TV ? I don't think you people should have it... let it die.... you dont need 17 stations of ESPN football and baseball... you can only watch one game at a time anyway"

RIGHT ?

:flamethro

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During the summer I live in a remote mountain lodge in the National Forest, far from most broadcast media (no cable, no tv, not so many radio stations). As Dave mentioned, for people who live far from major media markets, internet radio provides lots of options for not-so-local news and other interesting programming.

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I-radio is also a great way to catch news w/o a US media slant, and to grab weather/powder reports from the southern hemisphere.

For me, it's a great resource.

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Royalties are important. The recording industry, especially in this age of pirated music, needs them to survive. The music is the intelectual property of the artists, why should'nt they get paid when people listen it. If you invented a new product, would you sell it? or give it away?

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See this is the EXACT reason that Ignorance of things because YOU personaly have no use for it messes it up for everyone else.

Convince me that I have need or that it does some greater good...otherwise I really don't care. It's not ignorance...it just doesn't appeal to me.

You have an I-POD. They run on MP3. MP3 was a creation BECAUSE of the INTERNET. Internet radio is a global media and it is free. Now we are not limited to what we listen to, and can select what we want to hear by clicks of a button and are not limited to just what is in FM radio broadcasting in the local area. I-tunes charge to upload to your PC. Their rates go up also.

Tex, how do you get your MP3 down/uploads presently ? Chances are you are NOT recording them off of the FM radio. Royalty rates ruin the net broadcasters because the FCC does not have their hands in the pockets of people who just simply have servers up that pay money out of their own pockets to get their own music or other independent music makers out there and to be heard as well as provide people with a means to listen to that which is not localy available in their market. Perhaps in Boston or NYC there is 200 radio channels, but in WallaWalla Washington there is 4.

I buy them off of iTunes or rip CDs - both of which directly benefit the artists who created the music. If internet radio is not paying the artists who created the music then I want nothing to do with them.

Tex, if you watch Television as your form of entertainment, and are able to have 300 channels free, then soneone starts saying you can inly have 6 channels because the majority of the other channels are now defunct because the local cable provider decided to charge you a "premium" on the ability to listent o them, OR they were taxed out of existance where before they were making cost and bills equaly to be self sufficient.................. You wouldn't be a happy person I bet.

ME ? I have not watched TV in almost 7 years as a form of "entertainment", so conversely I can say "Cable TV ? I don't think you people should have it... let it die.... you dont need 17 stations of ESPN football and baseball... you can only watch one game at a time anyway"

if TV is free I wonder who gets the $100+ a month I pay for cable?

and if you think I don't need 17 sports channels, you have obviously never met a Texan during football season :ices_ange

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Royalties are important. The recording industry, especially in this age of pirated music, needs them to survive. The music is the intelectual property of the artists, why should'nt they get paid when people listen it. If you invented a new product, would you sell it? or give it away?

There is a business model in the software world called open-source. In other words, the software is created and then given away, for free. Java is a prime example. Open-source companies make their money on other services, such as implementation, consulting, and training.

Music is, quite literally, software. It should either be open-source (i.e., bands give away their music, but charge for concerts) or, record companies should stop the price-gouging and sell CDs for what they're really worth - no more than $7.00 (i.e., the price of a cassette before CD's came along).

The music industry has nobody to blame but themselves for the music "theft" problem. When CDs came out, they commanded a premium price because they were an emerging technology. Record companies had to recover their capital investments in all the supporting machinery. Well, they've long since recovered that, and unlike other technologies like CD players themselves, CDs never came down in price. Paying $14 - $20 today for a CD makes about as much sense as paying $500 for a basic single-disc CD player.

Record companies have been raping us (and musicians) for years, and now they're getting what they deserve. They are feeling the icy grip of evolution around their necks, and I for one, am laughing at them.

Furthermore, they're trying to close the barn door after the horse has already run out. They should have seen this coming and took action when the first dual cassette deck became widely available. Dumbasses.

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I have no real opinion one way or the other in this argument, but I am going to say that manufacturing costs of cassette tapes over cds is immense. CDs can be stamped out so fast and so cheap that it's crazy. Cassettes actually need assembly.

Anyways, my point is CDs are physically cheap.

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It is an INTERNET EQUALITY ACT... not "free radio for all Act."The internet music is facing being taxed at a ratio that is about 15 cents on a dollar per song per play per 1,000 listeners EACH TIME IT IS PLAYED.

Compared to FM radio that pays around .8 cents per 10,000 listeners.

NOTE: .8 cents is one eighth (eight tenths) of a cent per ten thousand listeners perplay. So this is not even a full cent versus a near thousand percent price gouge difference to the internet providers.

Net Webcasters are not looking for anythign more than a fair shake of the stick in royalty.

For YEARS record lables have been ripping us all ( AND ARTIST THEY SIGN) off on actual production cost of said music and yet report profits in the billions each year.

AOL , YAHOO, and KAAZA as well as LIMEWIRE and a couple other big media players will take a huge hit also, and this affects them as well. NBC RADIO will also not air songs of mainstream media as even a 30 second sample in the background will cost money.

Drive time to work ? Sure you have FM, but honestly, when was the last time you really had any control over Exactly what you wanted to listen to other than just turning the knob to another sation that is still playing music you don't want to listen to...... Work will be quite a silent daily sentence for many.

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I'll argue that costs are more representative of the studio time and equipment. as the digital era progressess forward more and more higher teck equipment to acheieve the sound quality that is required to fit todays home systems. Gone are the days when a record player with a single speaker are good enough. Now the music needs to be produced in multiple sound formats with exceptional quality in an ever more technological world. Granted everyone is making a lot of money, much more than I, but we still live in a market economy and their earnings are directly related to what the market will bear.

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but we still live in a market economy and their earnings are directly related to what the market will bear.

***EXACTLY.***

The market DOES NOT BEAR a $14 to $20 price tag for a Compact Disc. That is why we have music piracy. Slash prices of CDs to $5.00 to $7.00, and the piracy will all but disappear.

Heck, even the iTunes store might go out of business - it's sole reason for being is to save people from buying entire CDs when all they want is one or a few songs off of one. (and iTunes is even more of a rip-off than a CD when you consider that for a dollar - roughly the current price per song of a CD or more - you don't even get CD quality.)

Dave - sorry for the threadjack, I agree that internet radio needs to pay royalties, and at a fair rate.

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Gone are the days when a record player with a single speaker are good enough. Now the music needs to be produced in multiple sound formats with exceptional quality in an ever more technological world.

I have to disagree here (bolding my addition). Sound quality in general is going down. Big box stores sell crap (hardware wise) and people are fine with it. Higher quality audio formats (SACD/DVD-A) are not growing, MP3 is.

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as you work for bose, I cannot truly question you...I myself am generally satisfied with the sound I get, I don;t have much of an ear, other than to say we have come a long from the phonograph.

but, let me ask this: although the true growth is being realized in lower quality sound formats, higher quality does exist. Is it safe to say that the masters need to be in these high quality formats, regardless of whether distribution is in a lower quality format?

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