The Movie "Bobby"

[C5 Golfer]

Take off of Justin's review of Casino Royal.

I saw ‘Bobby’ the other night with my SO, We both loved it but we are also old enough to remember living back in the 60's. Anyway the most profound statement I believe came at the end when the credits were rolling on the screen. No One moved or said anything – total silence until the screen went black. Never have experienced that before in a movie.

[Allee]

No One moved or said anything – total silence until the screen went black. Never have experienced that before in a movie.

I have. The first Harry Potter film. A theatre full of kids (my idea of what hell looks like) and the same thing at the end of the film - just all the kids staring at the screen. That movie was over 2 hours long and you could have heard a pin drop the entire time.

I digress ... I hear Bobby is good, but I'm not American and I wasn't around in the early 60's, so it might not have the same relevance.

[C5 Golfer]

I digress ... I hear Bobby is good, but I'm not American and I wasn't around in the early 60's, so it might not have the same relevance.

Hopefully we get a few posts from those who were not alive in the 60's or remember those glorious years - I like to know what they feel if anything, after seeing the movie. The message from the movie in MHO is still here today.

[Gecko]

into the theater...I am so not impressed with the scion of a bootlegger nor for the reverance that they garner. My movies of choice this holiday season...happy feet, eragon and casino royal so far

[Justin A.]

into the theater...I am so not impressed with the scion of a bootlegger nor for the reverance that they garner.

Thank you! I was going to keep my mouth shut until someone else said it first. My movie instinct is sorely bored this holiday season. There hasn't been anything that I've wanted to see other than Casino Royal this time around, and you know what I thought about that one. Maybe something else good will show up.

Edit: I rememered the other movie that I want to see: The Departed. Scorsese movies are usually good, lets hope for another one.

[C5 Golfer]

into the theater...I am so not impressed with the scion of a bootlegger nor for the reverance that they garner.

Gecko and Justin A .. please help me out here ..What does the above mean? I am just a dumb old man I know but humor me for a minute.

[Justin A.]

Gecko and Justin A .. please help me out here ..What does the above mean? I am just a dumb old man I know but humor me for a minute.

What we mean is that neither of us have much in the way of respect for a family who amassed their fortunes making and selling moonshine during prohibition, and therefore have a hard time seeing them as being good at the positions they find their way into (namley Ted Kennedy). We're just making a statement about the public's adoration of a former crime family. A long the same lines (very similar in fact, due to the way bootlegging was handled in the 1920's, but I digress), imagine a reformed Al Capone and his family in the position that the kennedy's are in.

[C5 Golfer]

What we mean is that neither of us have much in the way of respect for a family who amassed their fortunes making and selling moonshine during prohibition, and therefore have a hard time seeing them as being good at the positions they find their way into (namley Ted Kennedy). We're just making a statement about the public's adoration of a former crime family. A long the same lines (very similar in fact, due to the way bootlegging was handled in the 1920's, but I digress), imagine a reformed Al Capone and his family in the position that the kennedy's are in.

Good answer -- thanks

I would agree with most of your statement - not a big Ted fan and I do not adore or warm to the Camelot thing. But along those same lines of your bootlegging family - I personally would not pass judgement on to the child just because he was born to bootlegging or any crime family. But back to the movie -- It is not even about Bobby Kennedy or the Kennedy family. It is more about the times and with what we as a world were struggling back then and how much it is the same today - only the names and places have changed. But with any movie, we may go away with a totally different view of what JTFH.

Preciate the input and G'day Justin. ( BTW - been out looking a bike frames.. Serotta, Marinoni, Colnago - steel or TI but no decision made yet. )

[Justin A.]

No problem. I agree that it's unfair to pass judgement on the children because of their parent's illegal practices, but I do still have a hard time warming up to them since they NEVER mention where they got all of their money, and when asked about it they dodge the question. I believe that any other family would have been imprisioned and lost their fortune if they were found out.

Thanks for clearing it up about the movie, I'm not old enough to remember it (or have even been born yet ) but maybe I'll give it a shot now since it isn't actually about the Kennedy Dynasty.

Good call on the Colnago bike, they make a hell of a frame. Of course so does everybody else in that price point, and therein lies your problem! Any particular reason that you're dismissing aluminum?

[C5 Golfer]

No problem. I agree that it's unfair to pass judgement on the children because of their parent's illegal practices, but I do still have a hard time warming up to them since they NEVER mention where they got all of their money, and when asked about it they dodge the question. I believe that any other family would have been imprisioned and lost their fortune if they were found out.

Thanks for clearing it up about the movie, I'm not old enough to remember it (or have even been born yet ) but maybe I'll give it a shot now since it isn't actually about the Kennedy Dynasty.

Good call on the Colnago bike, they make a hell of a frame. Of course so does everybody else in that price point, and therein lies your problem! Any particular reason that you're dismissing aluminum?

Hey is it ok to thread jack if I am the original poster ? I think it is..

I could be wrong but what I hear about aluminum in a road bike is it does not ride as nice a steel or TI and not as durable but as aways even in snowboards what one thinks may not be always the correct opinion. If you think Aluminum is fine tell me more -- I am still open. I believe Colnago is a big aluminum - they have a special name Scandium or something - user in many of their frames.

Back to Bobby-- if you go be sure to pay attention to all the lives of all the characters and what they are feeling , experiencing in their lives which is more to the point of the movie. interesting note -- I believe a lot of the original people working at the Ambassador when he was shot are in the movie and some of the scenes were shot quite awhile ago while the hotel was still standing. Estevez was taken there by his dad when he was seven years old I believe. It is an interesting read about how the has been put together with an all star cast. I fyou read up on the movie in this respect before you see it it may change your viewing pleasure. NOtyour opinion mind you just your viewing pleasure.

[Justin A.]

Just so you know, Scandium is it's own element, nothing to do with aluminum. Sc is soft, and very rare. It's also light, but it needs to be blended with other metals to make it useable for load-bearing. I think it's silly that they call them "Scandium" frames, when they are actually highly blended frames. Marketing I guess.

Anyway. I kinda like the way that Aluminium rides, it's stiff, has a bit of flex to it, and it highly durable. It's also very light and affordable, so you can get a frame with aero features (Cervelo) for the same price as a tubular other material frame (save steel). I HIGHLY reccomend Cervelo's frames. They are near infinatley durable, and very inexpensive for their pedigree. The Soloist Team (aluminum) is $1200 for the frame, and it gives you all of the (REAL) aerodynamic features that you could ever want. Internal cable routing, Real aero-profile tubing, and the like. I keep saying "real" because alot of manufacturers will just mould cyldrical tubing into their "aero" tubing, but doing so does nothing for the aerodynamic profile of the bike. Cervelo uses elliptical profile tubing, which keeps the airflow from detaching and causing drag. It's a great feature, IMO. I believe they also offer a lifetime warranty on their frames as well... Hahaha, I'm going to stop now before I sound MORE like a cervelo salesman :lol: . I strongly sugguest that you check them out though, they make a hell of a bike. Good luck!

[C5 Golfer]

Just so you know, Scandium is it's own element, nothing to do with aluminum. Sc is soft, and very rare. It's also light, but it needs to be blended with other metals to make it useable for load-bearing. I think it's silly that they call them "Scandium" frames, when they are actually highly blended frames.

From the Colnago web site is where I got the relation of Sc and Aluminum when I mentioned aluminum frames.

"WHAT IS SCANDIUM Scandium is the eighth most abundant rare earth element found in the earth’s crust. It is a silvery white metal, that is a potent grain refi ner used in aluminium alloys to elevate strength and durability. Largely unavailable prior to the opening of the former Soviet Union, Scandium was originally used for the structural purposes in Soviet aircraft and missiles. The strength that Scandium brought to weldable alloys allowed Soviet-built aircraft to utilize welded structures, giving these planes tremendous weight, manoeuvrability, and range advantages. SCANDIUM IN ALUMINUM ALLOYS Aluminium alloys that contain dilute Scandium additions display upgraded properties in several areas. In conjunction with zirconium, Scandium forms very fi ne, coherent precipitates that impart strength and serve to inhibit recrystallization in aluminium alloys. In addition, these alloys display improved hot-cracking resistance during welding, and enhanced weld strength. EFFECTS OF SCANDIUM Improved Strength Improved Resistance to Recrystallization Improved Hot Cracking during Welding Reduced Grain Size Improved Fatigue Properties PHYSICAL PROPERTIES OF SCANDIUM ALUMINUM ALLOY Scandium SC-7000-T6 tubesets offer the highest tension & yield strength among the all aluminium tubes commonly used for bicycle frames as indicated the following charts"

Thanks for info -- I check into Cervelo too. I am in no big hurry to fill this present to myself.

[Gecko]

I had this long post about the Kennedy's and about Aluminium bike frames...then my laptop crashed and I lost it (looking forward to a Mac more and more). No not all Kennedy's are crooks but but it's amazing what they get away with. As for AL frames...I liken them to Foam core snowboards realy good for a season (or maybe less like in BMX racing where an AL frame is only good for a few races). Couple that with the fact that I prefer the feel of a CroMo frame and well...my Badd Racing Frame is in it's third incarnation transitioning from a 24" racing cruiser to a Dual Slalom bike to it's present form as an urban trials cruizer. I think it serves me best in it's present format. But it's steel frame is #4 of what was one of the best fabricated frames of it's day.