bjordnolf Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 I just got some burton plates for a very good price they came free with some boots I got. Ive never done the hardboot thing before and was wondering if these will hold up. I weigh 230 and will be riding these on a tanker. If these wont hold up what are the weak points. I saw some people put catek metal levers on these, would these make them hold up? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 I've broken Burton plates at my fighting weight of 165 lbs. They might work for learning, while you're not going that fast or carving hard, but at 230, I'd think using them for very long would be a medical mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordy Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Yup What Jack said. There are some huge WC athletes that weigh 230+ that ride the Burton Binding.... But they Know they may break and do a lot of maintance to help prevent it. You could probaly get a few dollars selling them to a lighter weight rider and stepping into a beefier binder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMU Alpine Boarder Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 What would "Regular maintainence" consist of? I've been on a pair for a few years, and haven't had any problems, but am getting concerned about it... Kinda along the same lines, are the new IBEX toe and Heel bails compatible with the old Burtons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tahoetrencher Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 I'm 195 and haven't broken a bail since I stopped riding in ski boots in '99. I have noticed 2 hairline cracks in the plastic toe clip and replaced them (exactly two) immediately. That's it in over 250 days of riding (Spread over 3 pair). This keeps coming up on this forum. I contend that if you keep an eye on them and DON"T overshorten them they're not a medical bill. I adjust them to one-hand hard closing tightness. With ski boots I also had bent baseplate and/or heel/toe stripping or breaking of screws. I have noticed neither with SB boots. I switch bindings alot so maintainance for me is just a good eye, regularly. FWIW I have "come out" of various bindings through the years over 30 times (only twice on the front) and it doesn't have to be a lawsuit. If you're in the zone you feel the "click" but can still control a safe stop. Not reccomending this, just a personal observation. If you're a yardsale when your binding fails then its really kinda a secondary failure, no? Apparantly, your mileage may differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor VonRippington Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 In a heartfelt effort to keep everyone safe, please send me all of your Burton Race Plates with four hole discs... make sure the 7 degree cant plate is included wiith a four hole pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 They give me the right compromise of weight, profile and ease of use. I weigh a little over 235 :rolleyes: and break the bails occasionally. They always break at the bend and it always starts on the inside. If you know how to magnaflux, that could work. Don't use the anodized ( or painted whatever they are the red and gold ones) bails as they hide where the crack will start. If they are painted - scrape off the paint on the inside bend so you can inspect them. I did shear off one plastic toe piece but that was in a downhill, off a jump doing a detour through the ruts on the outside of the corner. No really it's faster on the far outside. Really. Good luck. Or send them to me if Thor is unavailable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDY_2_Carve Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 With so many better options why would you even risk it? Even if you don't go with "bombproof" TD's or Cateks you can still get F2 bindings on the cheap that are much stronger than Burton Plates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMU Alpine Boarder Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 With so many better options why would you even risk it? Even if you don't go with "bombproof" TD's or Cateks you can still get F2 bindings on the cheap that are much stronger than Burton Plates. For me it's a price issue.... I can only upgrade so much each season, and I don't feel that the bindings are the "Weak link" in the chain yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFluff Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 I've been using these burton variplates forever. I replaced one bail in the 10+ years of use. We've been through so much together, how could I ever relplace them. Giver hell, I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostertwo Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 I'm 6'4'' 215lbs and have snapped plenty of bails on the Raceplates. After the umpteenth bail-fail, a friend who worked designing product at Burton gave me a bag full of what he claimed were titanium bails. Before this I had never heard of Burton doing Ti replacement parts--and I have never heard anything about it since. But I haven't yet snapped any of the bails he gave me. Even more frequently I've broken the aluminum baseplates under the plastic on Raceplates (usually the rear binding). I've been using the delrin shims that Burton produced to help dial in alignment and wonder if the longer screws that are used to mount the shims increase leverage under the heel on the rear binder, resulting in baseplate failures. I used to have a bunch of spare baseplates but have ended up using them all. In my experience, it's not a question of if it will fail--but when. I've learned to recognize the distinctive 'pop' of the aluminum baseplate failing, and have (so far) been able to slow down without having a catastrophic, high-speed leg-snapper. I've been riding TD2 for several seasons now, and have much greater confidence in the gear than in the Burton binders. IMHO, if you're a large person who rides hard, I think you'll have less likelihood of breaking something if you go with a sturdier setup. <img src="http://i12.tinypic.com/2cype9d.jpg" border="0" alt="Thedo Remmelink, A-Basin, CO."> Mi dos centavos. Have fun whatever you end up on. B-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipstar Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 Slightly unrelated, but beautiful photo sequence there....really nice to look out here in the 30 degree celcius/90 degree F temps of Bangkok :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffy Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 With so many better options why would you even risk it? Even if you don't go with "bombproof" TD's or Cateks you can still get F2 bindings on the cheap that are much stronger than Burton Plates. I agree with ^^^^I had Burton race for the first few years of hardbooting and i broke a few bails(im 6-1..185lbs).............two of them were at a high speed carves and im really lucky i didnt break my leg either time.......things get really scary at high speed with one foot out(that was the last time i took that chance)....switched to Cateks and have never looked back!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordy Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 How many of you that had Burton stuff fail Suied Burton or where you purchased the Bindings??? And if not why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedzilla Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 How many of you that had Burton stuff fail Suied Burton or where you purchased the Bindings???And if not why? I've had Burton's fail on me several times, it never occured to me to seek legal action. I've also spilled coffee on myself without suing too. Damn, I could be rich right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stevens Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 I did sue Burton. As settlement, I had them change their name to "Stevens"... the next day, all their retailers dropped them. They counter-sued me and now I have to send Jake a cheque every month. Come and visit me in my squalid little shack, with the one-off Stevens snowboard for a floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor VonRippington Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 <TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=4 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 108513" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>RDY_2_Carve</TD><TD class=alt2>With so many better options why would you even risk it? Even if you don't go with "bombproof" TD's or Cateks you can still get F2 bindings on the cheap that are much stronger than Burton Plates.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> I've been eyeing the F2 binding, but they don't have any real canting... maybe they would work with the Burton cant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave* Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Ralann what screw extractor are you using to get the sheared M6s out of the base plate ( I have the same problem) one of my plates ( the late generation with powder coating is particularily reluctant to give up its sheared bolt) I ended up shifting over a set of holes but that thing has to come out sooner or later. BTW any one with the last generation of raceplates that were tapped then powder coated I reccomend running an M6 tap to clear the powder coat out before screwing in , they hold nice and tight but if you shear them they may never come out again. Ahhh twenty twenty hind sight. Dave* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordy Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 I've been eyeing the F2 binding, but they don't have any real canting... maybe they would work with the Burton cant? Sure they do. Up to 8 degrees on one foot, 4 on each and heel or toe lift. Plus if you get your hands on extra cant pieces you can really mix it up. The best part is you can run cant only or lift only or combo.. I think they crush the burtons in saftey flex and feel. Dont by into the durability hype though they still break also. just not in the same places as burtons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnshapiro Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 How many of you that had Burton stuff fail Suied Burton or where you purchased the Bindings???And if not why? Cause it's just not the right thing to do. If I participate in a sport with inherent risks, then I accept the risks. If the sport happens to have equipment to use, barring actual manufacturing defects, the risk to actually use that equipment is mine. In other words, I don't hold anyone else responsible for my actions or lack thereof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor VonRippington Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Thanks Bordy... I had some bad info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carvedog Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 How many of you that had Burton stuff fail Suied Burton or where you purchased the Bindings???And if not why? Never thought of it. But at the same time with my weight and how hard I ride it would be like Denny Hamlin suing his brake pad guys for brakes going out in a race. That and the fact that I have always broken tons of gear: Boots, bindings and boards just part of the deal. The only time it hurt was in the race course when I took out some bamboo with my thigh and that was just a bruise. I don't believe in the way the personal injury lawsuit system works in this country. Threatening to snow as I write. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffy Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 How many of you that had Burton stuff fail Suied Burton or where you purchased the Bindings???And if not why? Its just not a cool thing to do towards the sport............legal bull**** liike that in sports :lol: will always turn around and bite ya in the ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack M Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 How many of you that had Burton stuff fail Suied Burton or where you purchased the Bindings???And if not why? Well, I didn't get injured when mine broke, but I did say "f***ing Burton" in my head, as I was careening along with my front leg up in the air. But suing them just didn't enter my mind. Snowboarding is inherently dangerous. I choose to do it. I didn't want to bite the hand that feeds me my fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTA2R Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 does a real light rider like myself need to replace burtons, if at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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