zoltan Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 I've spent 6 hours this past weekend walking around the house with a LeMans on one foot and a UPZ on the other. I've also compared the shape and sizing of the foot from one to other. - A 27 UPZ has a heel width of roughly a 26 Deeluxe. - The UPZ has a toe box that's a little wider than the same sized Deeluxe. - The UPZ is shorter than the same sized Deeluxe by roughly half a size. - The UPZ's upper portion is a lot lower volume than a Deeluxe's. - The UPZ's buckles are so nice. They make me feel good...you know...down there. - It's true, the UPZ's liner sucks. I put my size 26 Thermoflex liners in the size 27 UPZs and barely got them in there. I think you might need to down size your liners, but I'm looking into that more. - They have a tenacious grip and can be fairly difficult to get in and out of. - Finally, my feet are 27.5 and 28 and I was forced to downsize my LeMans to find a good fit, but I fit beautifully in the size 27 UPZ. EDIT: - I also wanted to add that the cuff heights are the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Was there any difference in weight that you could tell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Houghton Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Don't forget that the UPZ apparently has the quickly detachable toe (not from personal experience, mind you, but from reading Fin's post). I'd think twice before buying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skatha Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 I think about riding alot, I dream of riding at night....but I have yet to spend 6 hours waking around my house with my Lemans on...am I not obsessed enough yet? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleaman Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Don't forget that the UPZ apparently has the quickly detachable toe (not from personal experience, mind you, but from reading Fin's post). I'd think twice before buying. Other than the obvious, is there any difference between a toe that detaches and an intec heel which is also detatchable. To the OP, how does the upz compare to the softness of the lemans boot. Dan Yoja only lives an hour from my house and I was interested a few years ago in some boots but he was out of stock. Maybe I would be interested when my Lemans boots wear out. Also I have a riding buddy looking for new boots. If they are on the softer side, I could steer him into a pair also. We are all mountain type riders so we need some flex for the trees, steeps and bumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted April 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 I think about riding alot, I dream of riding at night....but I have yet to spend 6 hours waking around my house with my Lemans on...am I not obsessed enough yet? ;) No, no, no, it was a LeMans on one foot and the UPZ on the other, that moves it from obsession to comparative product evaluation. Weight: I just weighed both on my electronic scale, and it said they both weigh the same at 9.5 pounds per pair. My feet agree. Toe piece: The problem isn't that it's detachable; it's that it's not T-nutted in place. Right now it uses huge screws that thread directly into the sole. Looking at it I don't think it stripping out to too much of a concern, but I'll put t-nuts in it anyway. Easy fix. Stiffness: I think the shell is made more a slightly stiffer material than the LeMans, but the biggest difference is the UPZ has a hella stiff, assymetrical tongue on it. I'm honestly considering removing the springs completely and just letting the tongue provide resistance. I'm also thinking about slotting the top of the tongue like on the LeMans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 I only weigh 160, and I find the tongue to be a perfect flex. i wouldn't want it any softer personally, and I use these boots for everything, and I mean everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonerider Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 I use these boots for everything, and I mean everything.You used your beloved Prior WCR (may it RIP) for everything, including park and powder as well... :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 And it lived a good life. I'd rather have a board die by blunt force trauma as a result of my actions than natural causes any day. My boots are in shlt shape too, and I'm going to have to get new buckles at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 LONG LIVE UPZ boots!! Been riding in them for 2nd season already, and I -MOSTLY- use 'em for skiing and occassional alpine racing at copper. NIiiiice boots. of course, I did the T-nuts method with the detachable toe pieces as well as replacing the liner with thermoflex. no regrets, since then. Now its a bit beaten up. Want me to post pix of 'em ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 i think I've got you beat Lee. I'm on my second pair in 2 seasons, and I love them, but mine are in rough shape. I'm a bit abusive. I don't want to hurt them, but they make me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 LOL we oughta go ride together. Do you use 'em for skiing too ? Lemme attach photo of it. Could you attach yours, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I'm on vacation in NY right now, but when I get back home I'll be sure to post them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 yea i gotta dig my boots out of the storage and take pix of 'em. soon ill be on the road to texas and new mexico for family annual visitation. hope to get it done before i hit the road. EDIT: Shucks. Went out to the shed, and I realized Ive only brought all my alpine boards while I left the rest of my winter stuffs up in Vail, with my boots. :-/ Ill try to remember whenever I pass Vail sometimes this week. We could share some feedbacks about 'em, cuz Im kinda questioning one of my buckles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASU_snowdevil Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 It's true, the UPZ's liner sucks. I put my size 26 Thermoflex liners in the size 27 UPZs and barely got them in there. I think you might need to down size your liners, but I'm looking into that more. Any verdict on this? (not the sucking, the sizing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted September 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Any verdict on this? (not the sucking, the sizing) I tried size 26 Thermoflex and size 27 Intuition liners and both fit (very snugly for both sizes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 oh man, i change my DIN sole quite often, so whenever i take my liner out, it's quite a b---h to get 'em out and get 'em back in. now ive done it so many times, it's ratherly easier now but its STILL snug fit to get me wrestling to get 'em in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASU_snowdevil Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Is there any difference in liner quality or interior size between the thermoflex (is that the speed?) and the intuition? I could probably use the smaller of the two. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.2 Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Hey thanks serious for doing this I've been wanting to do the same for a long time. (I've got wide feet and had to butcher my 325s to make them fit.) I even have some 26 Thermo's ready in waiting. My Q is do the 26 UPZ have the same size cuffs as the 27s. It might be writen on them. (You know how the Raichles have the same cuffs and tounges for 25 - 27.5) My feet are exactly 269mm with my full weight on one foot, heel against the wall and standing on a ruler. How long are yours? Just trying to see if I could make a 26 UPZ fit. So long as they have the same size cuffs of course. Thanks again for shareing this. Jas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateW Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Thermoflex is a Raichle trademark, and Intuition is a company that actually made the Thermoflex liners for a while. Now Raichle makes their own liners and Intuition makes aftermarket liners. Intuition liners are available in two thicknesses, and I think that's also true for Thermoflex. The ones you get with Raichle boots are the thinner ones. (And that's OK - thicker is not better.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.oldsnowboards.com Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 I think about riding alot, I dream of riding at night....but I have yet to spend 6 hours waking around my house with my Lemans on...am I not obsessed enough yet? ;) I know your taken. I could sure use a gal like you!! ;) Obsessed snowboarder Intelligent Funny Doesn't mind sharing the house with a couple hundred snowboards. You, know, typical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeW Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 LeeW, do you have to pull the liners to swap the toe and heal pieces? You still have to take them off your feet to reach the screws with a screw driver, unless you are very flexable. Sure be nice to be able to step from one to the other and still use snowboard boots rather than ski boots. Thinking about mounting some TD1s SI to a set of skis. <WARNING- DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME> YES , I do understand there would be NO RELEASE. Not recommending this. It would be handy well, yes if you do have the intec step-in system on the heel piece. the toe piece, i decided to leave it in ski DIN module, since it works fine with the TD2 as well as T-nutted with some kind of lock washer. So since then, Ive only swap the heel piece and that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted October 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 My Q is do the 26 UPZ have the same size cuffs as the 27s. It might be writen on them. (You know how the Raichles have the same cuffs and tounges for 25 - 27.5)My feet are exactly 269mm with my full weight on one foot, heel against the wall and standing on a ruler. How long are yours? Just trying to see if I could make a 26 UPZ fit. So long as they have the same size cuffs of course. I don't know, but Dan Yoja should - he's the UPZ distributor in North America. You can email him at: yoja@cablerocket.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted October 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Is there any difference in liner quality or interior size between the thermoflex (is that the speed?) and the intuition? I could probably use the smaller of the two. Thanks. Please see my post on the subject here: http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?p=105008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groovastic Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 - It's true, the UPZ's liner sucks. I had problems with UPZ liners as well (bruises and stuff), but after some canting adjustments of my bindings, i have no more problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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