bgarfield

FYI, did a LOT of searching and got some great deals, still came up at just over $150 total for board/bindings/boots. I paid $40 for a board, $40 for boots, and $40 for bindings, but then add separate shipping in for everything. Good luck though, just got the above for both my 11 and 13yr olds. Brian

I'm all set now, thanks everyone.

Sounds good, waiting for your email. Brian

Dibs on the Lowas. Have to re-measure my son's foot size, but I think these would be perfect. Please email me at bgarfield at gmail dot com if you'd like to arrange the sale. I'm in Maryland. Brian

Not to drag this on any further is a for sale thread, but my experience, particularly with older boards, is that it runs the gamut of how they're measured and how they're named. I've seen boards where the size is actually indicated in the serial number, as this one MAY be. But I've also seen boards that are measured by the length standing on end and others that are actually measured with the tape curving along the nose (denoting a longer length). So, I'm not sure you could argue about this stuff...just call it a lower 160's board as most are never gonna feel the 2cm anyway Brian

How much? Pictures? You can message me at bgarfield at gmail dot com. (Wineguru, sent email from here earlier) Thanks! Brian

Looking to setup a race/carving board for my 12yr old son. He's got bigger feet for his age, and this won't be used until next year. Guesstimating about 5'1", 105lbs, size 8.5 foot. The great news is that although he'll grow out of it, my younger son will be able to use it, and my wife is almost the exact size above, so she could use it down the road. So, I'm thinking a 140-150cm board is where I'm looking. Trying to do it all on the cheap, so don't bother with nice new stuff, just older decent shape. Any thoughts or stuff to sell, let me know. Thanks, Brian

Thanks guys. I simply ask because I'm looking at a set of Burton's that have 4x4's included, and I have 3-D's from a set of Burton soft boot bindings. Thanks, Brian

If I buy a set of Burton plates that come with a 4x4 disc, can I swap in the plastic 3-D from a soft boot binding? Or are the hard boot discs specific and/or metal? Brian

Anyone else use a Carveboard? I've had one for awhile as gift from my brother. It's great to ride, I just don't always feel like hiking the hills, it's plenty of a workout on the legs just going downhill. www.carveusa.com I need to find some hills nearby and someone else to ride with, in Maryland. Brian

For those that were actually interested, I wanted to update on my board. It was sent to me in Steamboat, rode it the first day in some powder (no groomers at all). It was great in the shallow stuff, but I couldn't keep the nose up in the deep stuff, which didn't bother me because I didn't have it built as a powder board, just a few features to help it float. I gave it to a ski valet for the night and they dropped it and broke the sidewall! I sent pictures to Sean and he told me not to ride it anymore and I immediately shipped it back to him to which he repaired it for free (ski valet was denying fault, but did give me a rental). Unfortunately, the timing of shipping and Sean's availability took it out of my hands for a couple of weeks. When I got it back, I got to really put it to the test, albeit on the lame hills close to me in MD/PA. The thing is a friggin rocket and holds an edge unbelievably. I used to race and run hard boots as well, and this board with softies and Burton FS bindings is practically the same. Low carves are no problem and I've never been so confident on low heel turns in softies. Anyhow, I wanted to update and express how happy I am with the board. I've decided to buy a 2011 Burton Malolo (got a great deal) for the powder days, but I'm still laying out low carves, regular and switch, and blasting big airs (even in the park ) with the Donek.

Awesome! I remember that issue! I didn't personally get the mag, but of course, my mother was aware of anything she could find that involved snowboarding since it was so "new". Brian

Hmm... maybe it was a location thing, because every CK board owner I knew in the Mid Atlantic at the time had the white high backs, which had orange/red writing, orange/red buckles, and matched the board just right. Here's a pic with me and mine. The guy next to me has one of the following years with the three strap. Brian

The original bindings of that year ('89-'90 season) were white highbacks. It appears these are the next year's bindings, when the board was purple and black. This board was the one of the first that started getting a "twin tip" like shape (not THE first). Yes, these models said Mystery on them, but the black one (which Craig rides in the early "Snow Rules" video was still acquired by a small amount of early adopters as I recall. Yes, the value is simply what somebody is willing to pay. I went looking for my original Burton Safari that I used to race on and found one for $350! I was patient and within a few months, bought one for $50 (and the seller had gotten it for $25 but wasn't doing anything with it and I had no trouble paying him an extra $25). As you can see from my avatar, this was the board I had before I started riding for Morrow and sold all my Burton stuff (hasty move). I'd rather purchase one with the original bindings, and I wouldn't spend a fortune on it, but let me know if you can't get rid of it. Brian Brian

Curious where these ended up? Still have them? Brian

Slope, I noticed in searching that you were looking for a similar board about 6 months ago. Well, after talking with Sean several times and doing the numbers the best I could blindly (meaning I haven't compared specs from boards as I rode them, I just rode), with Sean's feedback, we've come up with what we thought would do the trick. Hopefully a board that will lay down the best carve possible in soft boots, forward AND backward, while performing respectably in powder, much better at speed than any freestyle board, and still able to deal with East Coast crap snow. I'm an experienced rider (24yrs) with race and pipe experience, 5'9", 160lbs. Donek Incline 164 25cm waist 9.8m sidecut (tightened a tad for a 164) 1" set back for powder regular sidecut (non-VSR) 30.1 shovel 29.4 tail It'll be delivered to me when I'm in Steamboat, not a riding day before... wish me luck!

Just did a bunch of measurements for my new board and maybe I can shed some light: A waist width of 25cm is enough for me to ride size 9.5 soft boots, Burton FS binding, at 27 deg front, 21 deg rear. So, with a bigger foot you'll need more angle than above. If you plan on riding more angle, then you might be safe depending on your foot size. Any less room and I don't think you'd be happy with how low you can carve. Brian

That's great information Ted, I'll be sure to talk to Sean about it as I'm generally riding and carving backward about 30% of the time. My fun exercise is to carve toe side and hop a 180 to carve toeside backward. As for the time frame, it's been well discussed as he'll be shipping the board to where I'm staying....in about 3 weeks. Thanks! Brian

He mentioned doing VSR, and his explanation made perfect sense to me. We also spoke about the flex. I was very descriptive about what I'm looking for and he seemed completely confident in what to build for what I was looking to do. He did mention (don't quote me, but I believe this is correct) that the Incline would be less of a tree board due to the center stiffness vs. the Saber, but I was willing to give that up for a better hardpack carve. Basically saying that the Incline doesn't transition quite as fast in powder as the Saber. He did say that he does trees just fine with the board, it's just not the preferred tree board for his customers. The only problem now is that I'm too rushed to do some seriously cool custom graphics that I'd like (board needs to be done for my upcoming trip). Brian

Everyone's posts have been very helpful, much appreciated, and educational. As I explored more, I really like what I found with the Donek, and spoke to Sean on Friday. I'm big on the idea of speaking with the owner about my experience, and having that same person build my board for me, all with the added bonus of being custom in size and appearance with a very reasonable cost. I'm not completely done with the specs yet, but here's what I'm likely to be doing: Donek Incline 163-165 ish - I'd like something slightly larger than the average for my size. 25cm waist - Measured out my current board with the boots and bindings I'll be using and I definitely can't go smaller with the angles I want, around 27/21. I had posted less angle earlier, but that was before changing the binding around to see what I could live with. Given the above, can anyone think of a spec that I could change but haven't thought of? @Jason, thanks for the offer, but the angles I would need at that waist width is not in the range I'd like to duplicate, although we should get together to tear it up soon! Thanks, Brian

I'm a 9.5 boot, so not too big. Considering soft boots are lower and hang over easier, what wait line do you figure would best work? I normally ride at about 15 front, 5 rear on a freestyle board. I'm thinking I don't want to go too extreme since I'll be doing plenty of jumps, so probably 25 front, 15 rear at most. I've got my eye on some options that are popping up: Burton BX 165 Palmer Carbon Crown 164 Proto 162 F2 Eliminator WC Edition 165 cm Donek Incline Donek Saber Sims Daytona Thoughts? BTW Jack, digging that Coiler, my first race board was a Safari!

So my memory doesn't totally suck. Yep, remember them in black, and I owned the MGX (were those the right letters?) Burton. Sad part is, mine were in perfect shape, I loaned them to someone and when I disappeared from instructing, couldn't remember who I loaned them to! My first hardboots were the Koflach's, which I believe were the ones Damien Sanders wore. You can almost make them out in this '93 shot below...

I would agree with the Coiler, but I think I'd like more nose and tail. What about this "Proto" 162 in the classifieds here? BTW, I meant to say that I'll be sticking with soft boots for now... Brian

The signs seem to be leading me toward a BX board, but I wanted to get the opinions of many. Plus, it's not that easy to find those boards either. Admittedly, I'd like to not get spend crazy as I just bought a board last year and bought my wife's first since '94 (her wedding gift from me ) just two days ago. @kinpa - good to hear from you! The Prior 4WD did show up in my searches, so you simply commenting on it makes me want to go back and check. Brian

I'm looking for a particular type of board, but because I've been out of the loop, I don't know what's been made or being made. I've been riding since '86, instructed and raced in the early 90's, and then was not "in the know" between '97-'07. What I mean by this is that I had the same '96 board, rode a few times a year at most, and didn't know anything about the latest boards. I've always loved to lay down the "chest hair carve", but I also enjoy and am proficient at freestyle/jumps. Since I've gotten back into it seriously again (my kids are now good riders), I bought a new Sims Protocol 157 to get some newer technology. However, although a fine freestyle board, I miss actual low carving. That all said, I'm looking for the best board possible to accomplish great carves but yet still want to ride Switch, Fakie, backwards... whatever the younger set is calling it. Essentially, I'd love a board that almost as stiff as a race board, but has a rounded nose and tail? It can't be worthless in powder, but I won't see it on a regular basis. Thanks, Brian