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gibbons

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  1. This pacified me until I started thinking about it. The Palmers have that funny up-bend about a foot back from the tip. I guess that's part of the Kessler FLF design, it looks like a pair of Dynstar MV5's I bent years ago. Anyway, if you look at contact point based on the bend, it's even more radical forward! I guess I should just go ski them and see. My son went to Park City yesterday and said it was good. So he went again today and said they got a little over ambitious grooming and chopped the cover off.
  2. OK.... so I didn't the pair with the plates mounted on Monday morning after a holiday, right? The Atomic bindings are on rails that let you move them to 4 positions across a 20mm distance by simply pushing a lever and sliding them. The "all around" labeled position is the second notch back. Move it 7mm forward to the "extreme" labeled position, and it's like putting on a different pair or skis. The shovels hook hard, but you have to be on your best behavior to keep the tails from washing. Take them off road like this, and they do the Hunt for Red October gig. Slide them all the way back 20mm to "speed", and they are much slower reacting to turn inputs, but are way more stable at speed and OK off road. Soooo..... when I look at these Palmers, my Pavlovian response to the binding placement is, "uh-oh...."
  3. I bought some P02's to replace my beloved 2002 race stock Atomic 9'12 Race carv. The P02's came with the plate installed. On the plate were various sets of holes for moving the bindings back and forth based on boot sole length. I used the indicated sets of holes for my 296mm boots. Just messing around, I laid a P02 next to a 9'12, 163 vs 160, but I put lines up the centers of the chord length. Holy mackeral, look at the difference in boot placement! That's a freaky difference! Soooo.... is this what the FLF design does to conventional thought on binding placement? I know there are a few people here with these skis, did yours come out like this? Thanks for any reassuring thoughts!
  4. Ok, everyone said that Palmer P-02's are fun, so I bought a pair of 163's to replace my 2002 160cm Atomic race stock Race 9-12 skis. I'm gunna like them, right? Yeah, I get the whole carving thing, I hard booted for a couple of years until my sons said I was a better skier (ie, I sucked at hardbooting). When I ski, every direction change is a carve leaving two trenchs. Anyway, my new P-02's have the plates. There are some guidelines on the plate for binding placement a given boot sole length. Mine happens to be 296mm. From y'alls experience, do I follow the guidelines, or scoot them forward or back? I'm gunna miss the Atomic bindings and their ability to move back and forth to 5 different positions by just moving a lever. I actually did move them around depending on conditions. Thanks for any help.
  5. Cheap and works? Is there anything better? The cost difference would be cheaper than one trip to the doctor. :) The reason I ask is I remember the golden days of high school skiing. Some of my friends had Marker "Rotamatics". We called them Scrotumatics or Explodamatics. They had absolutely no antishock. One of my fondest youth memories was when me and my buddy were blasting down a run at Snowbird. We took a big roller, as he launched, both of his explodamatics released. I remember him flying through the air with his skiis flying behind hooked to his safety straps. It was one of the best crashes ever when he landed. Back to P02's tell me more about how fun they are. Are they the ultimate carving machines?
  6. So far, so good. The plate are Tyrolia Carve Plate 13SLR. Looking around, I found: The Carve Plate 13 SLR is Compatible with the Following Bindings: Free Flex Pro 11, 15, 17, 18 Peak 18 X, 15, 12, 11 LD 12 SL 70 AC, SL 100, SL 110 Carve ABS SP 130 ABS Demo Aero SP 120 ABS, 100 ABS, 90 ABS, 75 ABS Which ones do I want? I DIN at about 8, but like lots of shock motion.
  7. My son is an alpiner, he follows this forum. I am an OK skier (Nastar gold level). I took up alpining a few years ago, but my kids said I am a good skier, there aren't many on the mountain, I ought to stick with skiing. That meant I sucked at boarding. My son was following the threads on P02's and told me to get some. I snagged a pair of 163's with plates from Sierra for $449. Anyway, I have loved my 160 Atomic Race Carve SL 9'12 skis for 7 years. My kids liked their F2 GS race boards. Then one got a MADD (with a flower on the tail) and his free carving improved instantly. Hmmm... could these Palmers with "Kessler" on them do the same for me? I am 5'7", 160lbs, 51 years old. I ski about 10 times a year now. Unless it's a major dump day, I will just work my 160s in any conditions rather than take my 180 R11 off-roaders. - What will happen on the P02's if I venture off road into powder and chop? - My sons and I battle in the bumps, them on their carving boards and me on my slalom skis. What will these palmers do in bumps? How taco resistant are they? - What bindings do I want to fit on the Tyrolia plates? Is there some industry standard, or am I locked to a Tyrolia hole pattern? I've really liked the Atomic fore/aft slider to adjust to conditions, anything like that in the tyrolia line? Thanks for any input.
  8. Felix, no, I didn't see your posts about the same topic, I just had an epiphony in frustration. I didn't want to scribe Park City Saturday, so I took the ski boot liners out to put them in my ski boots. It was a monster getting them out!!! I had to put the boot in the binding, and have my wife stand on the board so I could pull hard enough to get it out. And when we got to PC, the snow was actually pretty good except for the rocks, stumps, and bare patches. I think they turned up the churn depth on the grooming machines. The skiing was actually kinda fun again.
  9. eBay is the place for boots, there are a million. There are other places, too, like SureFoot the ski boot fitters. They have their own house brand liner that has a chemical injected bladder for a perfect fit. I like the concept of that, but I have been lucky with the fit of stock ski boots and even out-of-the-box footbeds.
  10. I finally got my snowboard boots dialed in. I have UPZs, and they just didn't feel as "good" as my Tecnica Icon Carbon ski boots. And for you UPZ haters out there, I had thermofit Raichles, and they fit about as unsatisfyingly. In my humble mechanical engineer's opinion, having skied for 33 years, worked in a ski shop, and watched ski boot technology evolve, I think the spongy alpine boot liners are pretty cheesey in comparison. If you don't believe me, stop by a ski shop and marvel at a ski boot liner. Maybe that's why alpine boots cost 1/2 of what a good ski boot does. I think putting on an alpine boot feels like sticking my foot in a big marshmallow. They can be buckled down tight enough to cut off blood circulation, but still allow my foot to move around (both UPZ and Raichle). They are like a blast-from-the-past '70's Head Air boot (we called them air-head boots at the shop). Their tongue support and shin protection is non-existent. There is no defined toe box. No hard ankle L-pads. No differential padding density. No rigid contoured footbed. Blah blah blah. One day the UPZs' shin bang removed the hair and first layer of skin from my shins, just short of bleeding. I was going to go riding the next day too, which would have been a real problem. So I took the liners out of my Tecnica ski boots and stuffed them in the UPZs. Wow! What a dramatic fit difference! The stiff tongue "shells" on the Tecnica liners wrapped around my thrashed shins and perfectly distributed the pressure. I didn't even feel the previous day's damage. It was so nice to feel the heel pocket hold my heel securely down. I could wriggle my toes but still have firm hold down on my in-step. The only negative is that they are really, really hard to put on. Anyone wanna buy some size 26 UPZ thermo fitting liners? I will never use them again.
  11. Like I said, my son, who is way better than me, likes the snow. However, not being as good as him to handle the speed, and knowing what real snow feels like, it's not as much fun for me. Maybe we will try King Con tomorrow. Last time we tried it a few weeks ago, it was corduroy at mid day. That's because it was corduroy ice, and edges weren't cutting it down. In any case, I am taking my Atomic slalom skis tomorrow.
  12. Hey Skategoat, I remember the "storm" you are talking about. The official report from Park City was 8" on Jupiter Peak, decreasing to 2" at the base, with 4" inches or so in the prime "carving" area. 4" is gone with the first park-rat side sliding down the run. That's the problem, they got to their whopping 51" inches a few at at a time, and it isn't substantial enough to stick or pack. My oldest was going to come home from college for the weekend, and bagged it when he saw the report and watched the resort on-line cams. My youngest and I went, and came home at about noon after he hit 2 rocks on his brand new RS. I am not even hoping for some deep Utah powder. I would just like some real, soft, packed Utah snow that I can fall on and make a dent instead of getting massive hematomas. And I would like to ride without spending half of my mental processing power scanning for rocks and stumps and watching out for ice patches. I thought I was getting pretty good on the board, but this is killing my progress. How do you easterners do it???? Starting at 47 doesn't help, I guess.
  13. Scribing is scratching metal to act as a guide for machining. You put on metal marking blue stain, and then scratch it with a sharp tool. That reminds me of Park City this year. I won't call it carving. The snow is the worst I can remember. Any time you have to make snow at a Utah resort in January, and nobody has more than 58", that's bad. My rule of thumb years ago was don't even go until they have over 80", and then take your rock skis until it's 120. I've skied for 32 years, I am an expert Nastar skier, blah blah blah. I have been watching my sons ride alpine boards for years, so I started last year. I was having a blast last year, when the snow was actually soft enough to trench. I mean those 6" deep trenches. This year, all you do is scratch the groomed up ice crystals, and then hit the hard as a rock layer underneath. I hate always balancing on an edge. I haven't crashed in a month or so, maybe that's because I am being tentative remembering the bruises. The snow hasn't changed since the first of December. I may get the stix out until it snows. If it ever does again. I can't imagine living where there was no hope of decent "normal" snow ever. On the other hand, my youngest thinks the harder snow is fun on his 173 F2 RS. He scribes away on it and does great. Go ahead and flame me for being a sissy, but unless you skied Utah in the 70's and 80's, you just won't understand.
  14. I just listed 3 of the family quiver on eBay if anyone is interested. I am dang bummed the Silberpfeil is too short for me, I took a chance on that one. My wife says if I sell it, I can buy an 07 in the right length. Help me out here! :lol:
  15. Whenever I got a new pair of skis, I always tuned them the way I liked before I ever took them out. That included a progressive detuning the shovels, etc. I have a new F2 board, and am wondering if they take the time to tune them at the factory, or assume that everyone will just do their own. I am still a little hazy on optimal tune for an alpine board anyway. Skis are easy, 3 degree side, 1 degree bottom, flat pTex. Does F2 have standard, common angles they use on all their boards?
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