1xsculler Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 It just remembered these words from a few posts back, “finish the turn” and it just dawned on me that this is THE hallmark of a well carved turn. Anybody, even me, can carve in the fall line and then skid out when I have to control speed but finishing the turn by even pointing it up hill a little when necessary has just become part of my consciousness. I am a slow learner. What more can I say. Another carver will be joining me here at Crystal tomorrow. Should be good for learning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonbordin Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) Nah... the hallmark of a well carved turn is that it sets you up for the next turn and everyone who saw the turn goes, Whoa! in their minds. A well carved turn is a subjective thing, not objective. So it means so many different things to many different people. There are some great carvers out there that carve with a more open turn, some carve the jump turns, some drag their clothes in the snow. The only commonality is one great turn leads to another. Edited March 19, 2019 by lonbordin I <3 you guys. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_lupo Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 @lonbordin is absolutely right, but neglecting to learn complete turns is done at your own peril. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawndoggy Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) not getting straightlined from behind is also a consideration. Sometimes gapers and perfect turns don't play nice together. That's honestly the reason I've strayed from hardboots for so long (fear of the uphill skier taking me out). Edited March 19, 2019 by shawndoggy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buell Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/18/2019 at 11:51 AM, 1xsculler said: It just remembered these words from a few posts back, “finish the turn” and it just dawned on me that this is THE hallmark of a well carved turn. Anybody, even me, can carve in the fall line and then skid out when I have to control speed but finishing the turn by even pointing it up hill a little when necessary has just become part of my consciousness. I am a slow learner. What more can I say. Another carver will be joining me here at Crystal tomorrow. Should be good for learning. What you describe is losing control of your speed. It happens sometimes. The better you get, the less it happens. The easier runs you ride, the less it happens. You could always follow the example of the young softboot carvers who get going too fast after two carves. Hammer a big groomer powder slash to throw a bunch of snow and make you skid look cool. Losing control of your speed is completely different than being able to still make a hard, speed control carved turn after picking up speed making more open turns. In that case, open turns are just another option for playing on the terrain! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Gendzwill Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Buell said: Losing control of your speed is completely different than being able to still make a hard, speed control carved turn after picking up speed making more open turns. In that case, open turns are just another option for playing on the terrain! There's nothing wrong with going fast enough to not be able to make a carve back up the hill to control it. We don't always have to link Cs. Sometimes I like to put the hammer down. So long as you're in control it's all good, just another way of having fun. It's why I got into hard boots in the first place: 80s style Sims bindings over ski-liner stuffed Sorels were not cutting it at the speeds I like to run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softbootsurfer Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Start at the beginning, end at the end...Carving is done by the Edge, that line is your signature... I remember going up the chair with a HB at one of the Sessions here and saying, that it is really, " One Carve from top to Bottom" ...he said", that is Crazy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishsurfer Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 Finishing the turn is a good way to learn to be very efficient with your edge change because if you don't you won't be able to maintain your speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted March 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 10:22 AM, shawndoggy said: not getting straightlined from behind is also a consideration. Sometimes gapers and perfect turns don't play nice together. That's honestly the reason I've strayed from hardboots for so long (fear of the uphill skier taking me out). That is why I stay on Quicksilver at Crystal and never go up on weekends. When it gets even the least bit crowded I go home...not enough B-days left to spend the last few on the injured list...I think of even the semi-minor knee injury Corey suffered on his own...can't go there..might be career ending for me...that's why I make sure I almost never even fall down except at the top or bottom of the chair when I'm on the flat and then I need help getting back up...I know, I know, quit while you're ahead...can't do it... too determined! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyt. Posted March 20, 2019 Report Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just to add what Neil was saying. Sometimes the terrain will determine the type of carve and how long you hold it. last time I rode, conditions were epic two weeks ago, as I transitioned from edge to edge, just before making the toeside, I would make a small heelside, and vise versa. Nothing too drastic, just made my carves feel better. Knowing the trails, and transitions helps too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slopestar Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 lower section of Rex at CM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eboot Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 I have seldom come close to being hit in the back by a skier but of late i fear soft boot snowboarders bombing a line barely in control. 2 have flown past me unexpectedly in the last month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted March 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Bunch of no-brain assholes. They put us in the hospital and keep going, never even looking back. Some are skiers too. That’s why I stay on very low volume runs and go home when the dipshits become too plentiful. Sorry to be so cynical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyt. Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Love checking out my trenches under the chair. Slopstar might have to start hitting the all-you-can-eat buffet. Trenches need some depth, especially with that buttery soft snow! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slopestar Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, billyt. said: Love checking out my trenches under the chair. Slopstar might have to start hitting the all-you-can-eat buffet. Trenches need some depth, especially with that buttery soft snow! Billy. Those are well skied over and it was firm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workshop7 Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 16 hours ago, billyt. said: Love checking out my trenches under the chair. Slopstar might have to start hitting the all-you-can-eat buffet. Trenches need some depth, especially with that buttery soft snow! I know this is vain but in addition to enjoying the view of my own turns from the lift, there is another benefit to riding trails under lifts. I love the hollers of approval that come from the lift. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, workshop7 said: I know this is vain but in addition to enjoying the view of my own turns from the lift, there is another benefit to riding trails under lifts. I love the hollers of approval that come from the lift. Guilty as charged here too! That can help motivation if/when you're struggling a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big mario Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 Some of us with a small sadistic streak, enjoy riding trails under a lift and watching noobs that don't read trail maps biff in the carnage wrought on said trail, not that I would do anything like that mario 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_lupo Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, big mario said: Some of us with a small sadistic streak, enjoy riding trails under a lift and watching noobs that don't read trail maps biff in the carnage wrought on said trail, not that I would do anything like that mario Hey that's not nice! I've been on the receiving end... of course it was I that was the cause of said carnage too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slopestar Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, st_lupo said: Hey that's not nice! I've been on the receiving end... of course it was I that was the cause of said carnage too. I follow Mario with extreme exuberance and a dash of caution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1xsculler Posted March 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 20 hours ago, billyt. said: Love checking out my trenches under the chair. Slopstar might have to start hitting the all-you-can-eat buffet. Trenches need some depth, especially with that buttery soft snow! I really pissed me when they moved the Quicksilver lift from a ridge where you could keep track of grandkids and your tracks 50’ into a gully. They didn’t even make it a high speed lift nor did they ask me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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